How it stole sales from the other systems? 

It did 17 and something millions in 2015

And 20.2 millions in 2017 WITH the switch.

Because wait you said is irrelevant, wrong and ill informed. Based on poorly made simplification.

I won't enter the same discussion with you when you fail to recognize spoke person of Nintendo and other companies about the strategy and target audience of Wii even after being on VGC for over 3 years.

Because certainly the elderlies that loved Wii Sports are the same demograph of God of War.

And it would have done more WITHOUT the switch. That's the point I made.

Because you say so? I presented my point and explained it well. You not agreeing with it won't invalidate it. And I'd really apreciate you toning down on that hostility that seems to be on all of your responses to me.

A sale is a sale. Does it really make a difference if the person buying is a casual or a core gamer?

Those elderly gamers might have purchased an Atari or NES back in the day. Also, like I asked thismeintiel, is it impossible that PS2 and XBox owners had their share of casuals?

Nope, because I saw your argument with CGI and how you completely ignored that last year having PS4Pro and this year having December price being flat compared to last year I saw that you want to warp reality.

You said Switch didn't had supply, and ignored that since October it have.

A sale is a sale. Still you can't say the market is shrinking or declining when it is just returning to it normal state, which is the one that wasn't inflated by Wii.

PS2 and Xbox had their share of casuals, PS3 and X360 also had, PS4 and X1 also have. There are a lot of gamers that buy the console for only Fifa and CoD. That isn't the same as someone that had no interest in gaming buy bought Wii for the motion control and didn't stay in gaming.

Sure some of the elderlies could have bought Atari or NES, 30+ years ago, still doesn't make it the demography of current consoles to say its market shrank.

I gave you the benefit of doubt the first time but now most of your reponses include at least one instance of you saying I said something (when I didn't). Stop it.

So you saying December were the first month Switch had supply is a collective ilusion?

A sale is a sale.

Still you can't say the market is shrinking or declining

when it is just returning to it normal state

which is the one that wasn't inflated by Wii.

PS2 and Xbox had their share of casuals, PS3 and X360 also had, PS4 and X1 also have. There are a lot of gamers that buy the console for only Fifa and CoD. That isn't the same as someone that had no interest in gaming buy bought Wii for the motion control and didn't stay in gaming.

Sure some of the elderlies could have bought Atari or NES, 30+ years ago, still doesn't make it the demography of current consoles to say its market shrank.

Didin't know holidays quarter = december. I even specificaly said stock was low for the first 7 MONTHS, AKA march - september.

Yes! A console sale is a console sale.

I can't? Even though it has shrunk/declined?

A return that is also a shrink, a dip, a fall, a decline, a loss, a downward trend. Call it what you will but has the direction it has headed not been clear? Has it not been downward?

I'm sorry, is the Wii not a console? Last I checked, it was classified as a console and thus contributed towards total console sales.

Begging a lot of questions here Ferrari:

"had no interest in gaming" and "didn't say in gaming"? So the Wii got them into gaming and then they left? Is that not growth followed by a shrinkage? Are the Wii Sports games that elderly people played not games?

Also, how do you know they didn't stay in gaming? Just because they left console gaming doesn't mean they left gaming. They could have gone to tablets or smartphone gaming or PC gaming or handheld gaming. They very much could have stayed in gaming just not console gaming.

Of course they're not the demographics of current console consumers, they have left. The market has shrunk.

Another point: the 360 and PS3 just like the Wii had web browsers, had Netflix, and played DVDs. Non-gaming applications that could be used by gamers and non-gamers alike. How do we factor this in if we were to take your approach on assessing console market growth/shrinkage? You wanna filter out casuals right? How do we go about this? Where do we get the numbers?

Like I said before: one opens up a can of worms when they want to filter out casuals.

How about we just keep things simple?..

A sale is a sale. That's it.

So Switch stock being available wasn't an issue for PS4 during October and November, but became a problem in December??? Because November was in fact the best month ever...

So you are making a lot of strange condictions to say Switch have impacted PS4 sales a lot, but only for December.