PS4 Sells 5.9 Million Units Worldwide During 2017 Holiday Season, >73.6 Million Sold Through

[DonFerrari]

KLAMarine said:

DonFerrari said:

A sale is a sale.

Yes! A console sale is a console sale.

DonFerrari said:

Still you can't say the market is shrinking or declining

I can't? Even though it has shrunk/declined?

DonFerrari said:

when it is just returning to it normal state

A return that is also a shrink, a dip, a fall, a decline, a loss, a downward trend. Call it what you will but has the direction it has headed not been clear? Has it not been downward?

DonFerrari said:

which is the one that wasn't inflated by Wii.

I'm sorry, is the Wii not a console? Last I checked, it was classified as a console and thus contributed towards total console sales.

DonFerrari said:

PS2 and Xbox had their share of casuals, PS3 and X360 also had, PS4 and X1 also have. There are a lot of gamers that buy the console for only Fifa and CoD. That isn't the same as someone that had no interest in gaming buy bought Wii for the motion control and didn't stay in gaming.

Begging a lot of questions here Ferrari:

"had no interest in gaming" and "didn't say in gaming"? So the Wii got them into gaming and then they left? Is that not growth followed by a shrinkage? Are the Wii Sports games that elderly people played not games?

Also, how do you know they didn't stay in gaming? Just because they left console gaming doesn't mean they left gaming. They could have gone to tablets or smartphone gaming or PC gaming or handheld gaming. They very much could have stayed in gaming just not console gaming.

DonFerrari said:

Sure some of the elderlies could have bought Atari or NES, 30+ years ago, still doesn't make it the demography of current consoles to say its market shrank.

Of course they're not the demographics of current console consumers, they have left. The market has shrunk.

Another point: the 360 and PS3 just like the Wii had web browsers, had Netflix, and played DVDs. Non-gaming applications that could be used by gamers and non-gamers alike. How do we factor this in if we were to take your approach on assessing console market growth/shrinkage? You wanna filter out casuals right? How do we go about this? Where do we get the numbers?

Like I said before: one opens up a can of worms when they want to filter out casuals.

 

How about we just keep things simple?..

 

A sale is a sale. That's it.

And that is why I said I won't discuss this with you again. You are hellbent in try to put the market on a condition that ignores reality just to say it shrunk.

Windows had previous version have like 4 free games, but it seems it doesn't anymore. So since before the computers had games installed and now they don't have the PC gaming market shrinked a lot? Because that is the type of point you are making.

Those Wii buyers that weren't interested in gaming, also didn't become interested in gaming on Wii. They played some type of games that weren't part of the general offering.