VGPolyglot said:
Nem said:
A baby is an Atheist to everything as they are born. If it's something you haven't been presented to, you obviously don't assume it exists. I do think there's probably a different term to this as Atheism only refers to the god proposition, but i think you can understand.
Notice that this goes for our ignorance as well, where we are as clueless as babies. Whatever we don't know, we don't assume is real.
This is making me think how funny it is that religious people really want for there to be 3 roads. A belief of the opposite. There isn't. There is only a belief and the lack of a belief. Theres no 3rd road. There's no belief of the opposite. That would be a different proposition that in itself would be illogical.
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I'm not a religious person, I'm an atheist myself. However, you can't be an atheist without knowing of the idea of deities, because atheism is the explicit rejection or disbelief in the existence of gods, not the ignorance of the concept.
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Ok, so you are an Atheist but are not clear with the concept. I will try to explain.
Atheism is not the belief that God does not exist. Atheism is the lack of belief in a God.
This is because the default position is to not believe anything that isn't proven to exist (cookie monster, talking butter, dragon in the basement, etc.).
Say, you say you believe God doesn't exist. This is a proposition you can never prove. It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist, because it's obvious it doesn't exist until it's proven to exist. It is therefore an illogical proposition.
Atheism/t is the guy who gets told by the religious guy: There is a God! Pray to him!
The atheist says: Ok... wheres your proof? You have none? Well... screw that then.
You were as much an atheist before the religious guy asked you the question as after. Before he asked, you didn't know anything about it, so you naturally didn't assume it's existance. After the proposition, you were not shown proof and your position therefore didn't change.
This is the same for any claim. The space cookie monster for example. Had you thought about him before? Did you think it was real before i brought it up? If i say he is and fail to present evidence, did your position change?
See, the burden of proof is in the person that makes the claim. The atheist makes no claim. He rejects the claim made by the religious guy. The "rejection" is the default state for everything. If it wasn't like this everyone would live in chaos and fear of everything and anything being real at any moment.
In the same way: Baby is born. He doesn't know what God is. This mean he doesn't have a belief in God. He is therefore Atheist. Maybe he gets shown the proposition later and decides to accept it, he becomes a theist, or not and mantains the position.
This is apparantly very shocking for our fellow religious buddy there, wich i find hilarious. Anyways, hope this helped you understand it. Feel free to ask if you still have questions. I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.
Last edited by Nem - on 13 January 2018