Jesus Christ American politics are fucking terrible. I really wish I could be one of those people that just doesn't pay this stuff any attention. I would love to be completely apolitical
Jesus Christ American politics are fucking terrible. I really wish I could be one of those people that just doesn't pay this stuff any attention. I would love to be completely apolitical
jason1637 said:
Its better to have a peaceful protest. You can't fight fire with fire. The civil rights movement is a great example of this. If there weren't peaceful protest I doubt that segregation would have ended when it did. i |
You say that you can't fight fire with fire, but you also can't just fight fire by just standing there and letting it engulf you.
Soundwave said:
No, I'm all for counter protests. I'm fine with that. Sometimes violence will occur, but that is the nature of heated disputes. I don't celebrate that, but I understand that sometimes it is inevitable. The point is again not to change views. It is to demonstrate that there is a larger majority that wants nothing to do with such views and opposes said views. Progress always happens. It happens every day. It's partly why "conversative" movement is an oxymoron in itself, the nature of our reality is the world changes every day incrementally and is never the same again. Humanity will obviously evolve, eventually probably into something we today won't even recoginize. But such change is also slow, for a species like us that wants instant results all the time, sometimes the dull snail's pace of change can be frustrating, but that is what it is. |
"The point is again not to change views"
so its simply about permanently dividing the population... doesn't sound like much of a solution to me but whatever
"It's partly why "conversative" movement is an oxymoron in itself"
despite progress there are certain values that have to be retained for a society to function so no that's wrong
"Humanity will obviously evolve, eventually probably into something we today won't even recoginize."
human society for observable history has been cyclical and not a linear pogression as you appear to believe
civilisation rises to great heights then people lose track of what the foundation of their society is and everything falls to ashes and eventually civilisation is born again from the ashes
we saw it with mesopothamia, egypt, rome, etc etc etc, but maybe this time we may be able to save our civilisation, but i'm doubtful about that honestly
NATO said:
There is never unbroken peace as a result of conflict because as i said, conflict breds further conflict or plants the seeds for future conflict. As for hitler, do you think he was born hating jews, or would you not agree that these seeds were planted throughout his early life during his years of service in world war 1 and further fostered after joining DAP in 1919? Did chit-chat make him go away after those seeds were planted? no. But did war?, did conflict?, they may well have lead to his death, but his ideology is alive and well today, and is in a large part the driving force behind todays events which spawned this thread. So clearly no, conflict did not settle things, not at all. |
I'd rather have Neo-Nazis being a sad little clique of little shit heads who have gatherings of 1000-2000 people than have the Nazis win WW2.
There is a time to stand up. If you are bullied at school, you think the bully is going to stop if you decide to just sit there and do nothing? Operate with that mentality in life and see where it gets you. If you believe it will take you some place good, great.
Hiku said:
So you're saying that unless Trump THANKS Putin for expelling the US diplomats, he would be pushing for war? |
You've said "✓Thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats."
Because of your negative tone of all things Trump, it only implies that you are disgusted with his reaction, and the fact that he didn’t threatened to retaliate against Russia.
o_O.Q said:
"The point is again not to change views"
so its simply about permanently dividing the population... doesn't sound like much of a solution to me but whatever
"It's partly why "conversative" movement is an oxymoron in itself"
despite progress there are certain values that have to be retained for a society to function so no that's wrong
"Humanity will obviously evolve, eventually probably into something we today won't even recoginize."
human society for observable history has been cyclical and not a linear pogression as you appear to believe civilisation rises to great heights then people lose track of what the foundation of their society is and everything falls to ashes and eventually civilisation is born again from the ashes we saw it with mesopothamia, egypt, rome, etc etc etc, but maybe this time we may be able to save our civilisation, but i'm doubtful about that honestly |
"Civilizations" are not the be all, end all. Civilizations come and go, humanity goes on.
Humanity will radically transform into something different over the next 200 years anyway.
Your grand children may have the choice of not dying or even aging past a certain year for example. That very well actually could happen. Think about that.
NATO said:
The point is, if conflict wasnt used as a means to begin with, WW2 wouldn't have happened to begin with. And why do you, and the other guy, always, automatically default to the only other option being "do nothing"? WHY? In every instance there are multiple paths to take, even in your bully situation, there aren't two options, "stand up to the bully" or "do nothing", stating that protestors are approaching things the wrong way doesn't automatically make the only other option to be "sit back and do nothing". |
What other alternatives to standing up to a bully are worth mentioning? Buying him a cake perhaps? He is not going to cease his behavior. Large scale protests have kept groups like the KKK largely in check and prevented their growth in many ways.
In a lot of ways those people have put in the time and work to keep said groups in check so others who did nothing can walk around and see "gee isn't this great that we don't have such terrible racism anymore? How wonderful".
| Soundwave said: I'd rather have Neo-Nazis being a sad little clique of little shit heads who have gatherings of 1000-2000 people than have the Nazis win WW2. There is a time to stand up. If you are bullied at school, you think the bully is going to stop if you decide to just sit there and do nothing? Operate with that mentality in life and see where it gets you. If you believe it will take you some place good, great. |
I still just can't wrap my head around Americans assoiciating themselves with Nazis. It's doesn't get more anti-American/anti-patriot than that.
