What about a parent being proud of their child's accomplishments.

They are proud of their child. They are not proud of themselves for possibly having a hand in what their child did if they even did have a hand in it.

Your definition of pride is very selfish.

VGPolyglot said: Nationalism and patriotism, two ideas that I'm very opposed to.

This is far different than that. This is radical religion infecting the secular Turkey. Is there anywhere left in the middle east that is relatively normal?

@patriotism discussion

There is not much wrong with a patriot who loves to see "his" country winning at the Olympic Games or stuff like that. He doesn't harm anyone nor does that "fighting for your country" in sport harm anyone as long as it is fair play. Patriotism isn't automatically bad if it doesn't go to far. It doesn't have to mean the guy believes his country is better as other countries or anything.

Chauvinism on the other hand is definitely wrong.

What prevents violence? You have not offered any possible counter to that simple consideration. The society you are depicting depends upon all of its members holding utter trust in each other despite the fact that some people will make bad choices. No has to be inherently bad to make a bad choice or to use violence to achieve what they want. If my family were without food or shelter, I would fight or steal for them. And if you want to counter that with the idea of 'mutual aid' then you have to somehow create a post scarity world. Which gets back to my earlier point (which was unaddressed) about how you get people to do risky or unpleseant jobs without some sort of impetus (be it money or coercison).

So I can't be proud when my brother gets a scholarship or my friend wins a tournament? Pride is more than self-interest. It can extend to whoever or whatever you care about. I am proud of my city, my state, my country when we do something right. And I am shamed when we do something wrong. I can identify with them as part of my group. No man is an island, afterall.

Nationalism is extreme patriotism, typically coupled with a sense that ones nation is superior to others

How is it going in the US with creationism vs evolution in schools? And didn't Trump call for teaching patriotism in schools as well? I already find it weird schools here in Canada start with the national anthem each morning. Then again, I never got brainwashed like that in the Netherlands and I moved out of there when I had the chance :)

Will we see a time when there's a worldwide school curriculum? Teaching kids about how the world works, contributed too by all countries. Schools can still teach local culture and history ofcourse.

"jihad as patriotic in spirit."

But that's not the true meaning of Jihad, like, at all.

So it's just another co-opting of a word for political control. Shouldn't really be surprised.

Turkey is devolving fast. I wonder if this would be happening if the EU had been more welcoming of Turkey as a member of the back before Erdogan started dismantling the secular bulwarks upon which modern Turkey was founded.

What are you talking about? This is exactly the WRONG thing to do when this is happening. Plus, letting Turkey into the EU means that 80 million turks can now roam around EU nations with no border controls. Not only would it be a security risk, but there would be millions of turks flooding the labour market in other nations as well. It would be an absolute disaster.

There is a rise of the far-right at the moment.

This is just another example of that with Erdogan favoring conservative religion in the school curriculum.

The True Meaning Of Jihad. Sounds like a South Park episode.