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jlauro on 03 December 2009
Vetteman94 said:
jlauro said:
Vetteman94 said:
jlauro said:
Even if I had a blu ray player (which I may get a PS3 eventually), and a large screen high def TV, I would still probably buy movies on DVD over a blu ray if the price difference is over 10%. For this fact alone, I don't see Blu Ray taking over anytime soon until they start charging the same price.


You want them to charge the same price for a far superior product?   You must also think Mercedes and BMW are way overpriced and thier prices should fall in line with Kia and Hyundai, despite being superior products.

 

Nah, I said I would pay 10% more, just not double...

I don't care if they charge more.  I just will not buy it if they do (and so they will not get market share)...  Same reason I am not likely to buy a Mercedes or BMW any time soon.  Hmm, actually I think you proved my point.  A quick check on google for cars in Nov 09...

Hyundai:  20,136

BMW: 12,240

 

What year do you think the superior quality of BMW will outsell Hyundai?

I doubt you are going to keep the martketshare of Blu-ray down all by yourself. Plus if you were a really smart consumer you would see that you could already get them for about 10% above the DVD price and sometimes even cheaper.   Its called Amazon.com,   you should check it out.   Last 10 new release Blu-rays I bought for less the $19.99 each, which is the going price for new release DVDs in B&M stores.

And no I didnt prove your point,  it just went over your head.

 

Over my head... No.  I see room for both products in the market place.  I don't see the higher quality over taking and replacing the market share of the lower cost product unless the prices are closer.  You are trying to say the BMW is going to drive Hyundai out of the market.  I don't think so.

Checking Amazon...  Easy enough, found blu ray movie for $19.99...  Found the same movie on DVD for $15.99.  I guess my point is over your head.  That is still 25% more for Blu Ray.  Better than double, but still more than 10%.  Some people are willing to pay double extra, some 25%, some 10%, some 0%.

 

 



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Noobie on 03 December 2009

Black Friday week data now up for week ending 11/29/09

$69.06 M Blu-ray

$491.10 DVD

$560.16 DVD + Blu-ray

Blu-ray 12.33% revenue share (new pie chart calculation)
Blu-ray 11.68% top 20 unit share (old pie chart calculation)

Blu-ray up 224.04% YTY
DVD down 7.78% from last year
DVD + Blu-ray up 1.02% with Blu-ray covering all of DVDs attrition from last year



 

That is one very impressive result...



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Vetteman94 on 03 December 2009
jlauro said:
Vetteman94 said:
jlauro said:
Vetteman94 said:
jlauro said:
Even if I had a blu ray player (which I may get a PS3 eventually), and a large screen high def TV, I would still probably buy movies on DVD over a blu ray if the price difference is over 10%. For this fact alone, I don't see Blu Ray taking over anytime soon until they start charging the same price.


You want them to charge the same price for a far superior product?   You must also think Mercedes and BMW are way overpriced and thier prices should fall in line with Kia and Hyundai, despite being superior products.

 

Nah, I said I would pay 10% more, just not double...

I don't care if they charge more.  I just will not buy it if they do (and so they will not get market share)...  Same reason I am not likely to buy a Mercedes or BMW any time soon.  Hmm, actually I think you proved my point.  A quick check on google for cars in Nov 09...

Hyundai:  20,136

BMW: 12,240

 

What year do you think the superior quality of BMW will outsell Hyundai?

I doubt you are going to keep the martketshare of Blu-ray down all by yourself. Plus if you were a really smart consumer you would see that you could already get them for about 10% above the DVD price and sometimes even cheaper.   Its called Amazon.com,   you should check it out.   Last 10 new release Blu-rays I bought for less the $19.99 each, which is the going price for new release DVDs in B&M stores.

And no I didnt prove your point,  it just went over your head.

 

Over my head... No.  I see room for both products in the market place.  I don't see the higher quality over taking and replacing the market share of the lower cost product unless the prices are closer.  You are trying to say the BMW is going to drive Hyundai out of the market.  I don't think so.

Checking Amazon...  Easy enough, found blu ray movie for $19.99...  Found the same movie on DVD for $15.99.  I guess my point is over your head.  That is still 25% more for Blu Ray.  Better than double, but still more than 10%.  Some people are willing to pay double extra, some 25%, some 10%, some 0%.

 

 

You see room for both products in the marketplace but the Movie Studios do not, they will force one of them out. Remember Laserdisc?  DVD wasnt stopped overtaking VHS because of its higher price now was it,  DVDs when released were as much as $50 a movie,   didnt get into the $20 until about 5 years after, but that didnt stop it from overtaking the lower quality marketshare leader.    I only used the BMW reference on a pure quality stance, hence why the point went over your head.  If BMW was trying to become the standard while keeping a higher level of quality while passing up the sales of Hyundai, they could do it.  But thats not what they are doing.

As for your Amazon check which movie did you check?   Just curious since here is an example of one of the most successful titles of the year.

Blu-ray Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Three-Disc-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B001AVCFK6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-3

DVD Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Two-Disc-Digital-Copy/dp/B001AVCFJM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-4

Would you look at that,  its cheaper on Blu-ray.

 



Vetteman94 on 03 December 2009
Noobie said:

Black Friday week data now up for week ending 11/29/09

$69.06 M Blu-ray

$491.10 DVD

$560.16 DVD + Blu-ray

Blu-ray 12.33% revenue share (new pie chart calculation)
Blu-ray 11.68% top 20 unit share (old pie chart calculation)

Blu-ray up 224.04% YTY
DVD down 7.78% from last year
DVD + Blu-ray up 1.02% with Blu-ray covering all of DVDs attrition from last year



 

That is one very impressive result...

Oh no,  You are taking over my job.......  

Really good numbers for Blu-ray. Despite DVD numbers being down the strong Blu-ray surge was enough for a rise in Total Packaged Media revenue YoY.     I do believe that is a new record week for Blu-ray with the $69.06 Million in revenue for the week.



gurglesletch on 03 December 2009

wow blu-ray is really picking up momentum.




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Noobie on 03 December 2009

Yes its a record week for BD.. almost 50% more than the previous record week of ~47M which was made last week, Yup the week ending (22/11/2009) was a record holder week over the Dark Knight week of almost ~46M (xx/12/2008)



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jlauro on 04 December 2009
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You see room for both products in the marketplace but the Movie Studios do not, they will force one of them out. Remember Laserdisc?  DVD wasnt stopped overtaking VHS because of its higher price now was it,  DVDs when released were as much as $50 a movie,   didnt get into the $20 until about 5 years after, but that didnt stop it from overtaking the lower quality marketshare leader.    I only used the BMW reference on a pure quality stance, hence why the point went over your head.  If BMW was trying to become the standard while keeping a higher level of quality while passing up the sales of Hyundai, they could do it.  But thats not what they are doing.

As for your Amazon check which movie did you check?   Just curious since here is an example of one of the most successful titles of the year.

Blu-ray Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Three-Disc-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B001AVCFK6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-3

DVD Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Two-Disc-Digital-Copy/dp/B001AVCFJM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-4

Would you look at that,  its cheaper on Blu-ray.

 

 

Yup, Amazon has specials and you can cherry pick them.  They also have a version for $15.99 on DVD:  Star Trek (Single-Disc Edition)

and the version you listed for $16.55 from affiliate:  30 new

 

I checked lots of movies.  They have others that show larger differences too.  I didn't do an exchustive comparison, but 25% seemed typical.

Casino Royale (2-Disc Widescreen Edition) for $5.49

Casino Royale [Blu-ray] $12.99

 

DVDs have a signficant longer life and durability improvement over VHS which does provide a significant better value despite the higher cost over VHS.  DVDs are also smaller, and that is also a major advantage worth more. Sure, blu ray can have more content for improved value, and also higher def, but not everyone is concerned about that.  Personally, I already switched most of my viewing to streaming over Netflix (yup, digital over DVD and Blu ray).  Only problem is not all the new releases are available via streaming...

 



Vetteman94 on 04 December 2009
jlauro said:
Vetteman94 said:
 

You see room for both products in the marketplace but the Movie Studios do not, they will force one of them out. Remember Laserdisc?  DVD wasnt stopped overtaking VHS because of its higher price now was it,  DVDs when released were as much as $50 a movie,   didnt get into the $20 until about 5 years after, but that didnt stop it from overtaking the lower quality marketshare leader.    I only used the BMW reference on a pure quality stance, hence why the point went over your head.  If BMW was trying to become the standard while keeping a higher level of quality while passing up the sales of Hyundai, they could do it.  But thats not what they are doing.

As for your Amazon check which movie did you check?   Just curious since here is an example of one of the most successful titles of the year.

Blu-ray Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Three-Disc-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B001AVCFK6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-3

DVD Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Two-Disc-Digital-Copy/dp/B001AVCFJM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259892686&sr=8-4

Would you look at that,  its cheaper on Blu-ray.

 

 

Yup, Amazon has specials and you can cherry pick them.  They also have a version for $15.99 on DVD:  Star Trek (Single-Disc Edition)

and the version you listed for $16.55 from affiliate:  30 new

 

I checked lots of movies.  They have others that show larger differences too.  I didn't do an exchustive comparison, but 25% seemed typical.

Casino Royale (2-Disc Widescreen Edition) for $5.49

Casino Royale [Blu-ray] $12.99

 

DVDs have a signficant longer life and durability improvement over VHS which does provide a significant better value despite the higher cost over VHS.  DVDs are also smaller, and that is also a major advantage worth more. Sure, blu ray can have more content for improved value, and also higher def, but not everyone is concerned about that.  Personally, I already switched most of my viewing to streaming over Netflix (yup, digital over DVD and Blu ray).  Only problem is not all the new releases are available via streaming...

 

As you cherry picked as well, plus you cannot compare the price of the single disc version of the DVD to the multidisc version of the Blu-ray, because they dont offer the same content.   But thats something you will obviously argue as well. 

Blu-rays also offer improved durability and longer life due to the anti scratch coating and harder plastics used.   And Blu-ray cases are also significantly smaller as well.   

And if you switched everything over to streaming why do you care what DVD or Blu-rays cost, or for that matter how well/bad DVDs and Blu-rays are doing?   You arent interested, you are just here to troll.



Vetteman94 on 04 December 2009

Here are the other charts for week ending 11/29/09

Top 20 Sellers

Top 20 Blu-rays



Cypher1980 on 04 December 2009

I get the feeling a lot of people are being blinded by figures.

I guess the Pie chart looks lovely but at this point in the DVD VHS cycle the DVD section was over 50 percent.

Also I really need a lot more info on my pie charts about data collection.

Lets not forget it was the Home Media people who eventually conceded their DVD comparisons were limited to top 20 titles due to the lack of Blu Ray media penetration and shouldnt be taken as a realistic Sale for Sale snapshot.