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Retrasado said:

wow did this thread get derailed.

OT: typical PR spin. If he is referring to Nintendo, than he is a complete idiot. If he is referring to M$, he does have a thread of truth (Halo 3, BioShock, and ME are already out) but I still fail to understand how GeoW 2 is a step backwards.....

@rocketpig

gotta admire your resiliency...


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The sad part about all this is that MikeB might actually think that the PS3 is handling 1080p when it is just upscaling a lower resolution.



@ RocketPig

Mike, provide me a link showing that 1280x1080 is 1080p and I'll shut up. Small problem... You can't do it and you're too damned stubborn to admit you're wrong. You also won't stop misleading people with false information. Give. It. Up.


TVs - 1280 x 1080 - 1080p (not FullHD)
http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6475_7-0.html?filter=502443_12354559_504899_106114_



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

I wish Sony would shut their mouths about the competition.

I mean Nintendo barely pats their own backs... MS has a tendency to make up BS to make themselves look better, but sony seems to be always trying to down the competition to make themselves look better.

They are like the chunky kid in JH that made fun of the really fat kid to make himself look better but the thin kids still think he is fat.

For you slower folk,
Nintendo = Skinny Kids Sony = Fat Kids MS= Obese kids



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

*swing and a miss*

Funny, according to Hitachi themselves, those TVs are not 1080p. But you go ahead and continue to rely on Cnet's faulty categorization system if it makes you feel better.

http://www.hitachi.us/Apps/hitachicom/content.jsp?page=products/plasma_tvs/details/P50T501.html&level=2&section=products&parent=plasma_tvs&nav=left&path=jsp/hitachi/forhome/ubcg/&nId=iD

http://www.hitachi.ca/Apps/hitachicanada/content.jsp?page=forhome/plasma_tvs/details/P55T551.html&path=jsp/hcl/hcl/en/

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MikeB said:
Legend11 said:
 

Proving to be much more powerful? You mean with the multiplatform games with the majority giving the 360 the edge? If the PS3 was really a lot more powerful it would show even if games aren't developed for it first.


The 360 provides more tradional like technology, the later more demanding games are about on par. Early Atari ST to Amiga games were also slightly subpar, later games were far superior.

Judge the PS3 based on current exlcusives like Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction and Gran Turismo Prologue (1080p) but take into account my sig below.

Soon we will have Metal Gear Solid 4 (1080p), people will already know which platform is far more powerful this year, faster than was the case for the Amiga.


I have to wonder who those people are that will know (or care) that the PS3 is "more powerful".  I know that it theoretically has more power, but I can't imagine the average potential console buyer looking at one of the rare 1080p games on the PS3 and a 720p game on the 360 (that has been hardware scaled to 1080i or 1080p) and saying "Oh, my god!  Look how crappy that 720p-upscaled game on the 360 looks compared to that 1080p game on the PS3!  I HAVE to have a PS3!"  For you and me there might be some noticible difference when comparing the two on screens that are side-by-side, but I'm playing Mass Effect right now, and the game is absolutely stunning in graphics, sound, voice acting, plot, etc.  I can't see any game on the PS3 in the next 6-12 months "blowing it out of the water", so to speak.  The PS3 hardware may be more powerful on paper, but it isn't a next-gen leap over the 360, as some would like to believe.

I just don't think comparing the games on the 360 to the games on the PS3 are a slam dunk for choosing a PS3. 



rocketpig said:

*swing and a miss*

Funny, according to Hitachi themselves, those TVs are not 1080p. But you go ahead and continue to rely on Cnet's faulty categorization system if it makes you feel better.

http://www.hitachi.us/Apps/hitachicom/content.jsp?page=products/plasma_tvs/details/P50T501.html&level=2§ion=products&parent=plasma_tvs&nav=left&path=jsp/hitachi/forhome/ubcg/&nId=iD

http://www.hitachi.ca/Apps/hitachicanada/content.jsp?page=forhome/plasma_tvs/details/P55T551.html&path=jsp/hcl/hcl/en/

Keep digging that hole, man. It really suits you. 


I also notice that he didnt say anything about my reply before, which was one of the links he gave...




Words Of Wisdom said:
rocketpig said:
 

I'm actually quite pleasant to most people. MikeB has an amazing ability to bring out the worst in me. We go around like this about once a month.

Welcome to the board, BTW.


I think it speaks much better for the website to have members that can freely speak their minds.




I've read a LOT of RocketPig's posts, and while I don't always agree with his point of view, most of the time he takes a reasonable stance.  I haven't ever seen him react this strongly unless provoked.  And I haven't seen him threaten to squelch users for speaking their mind.  He may strongly disagree, but I haven't actually seen him tell someone their point of view isn't acceptable on VGChartz.

 



crumas2 said:
MikeB said:
Legend11 said:
 

Proving to be much more powerful? You mean with the multiplatform games with the majority giving the 360 the edge? If the PS3 was really a lot more powerful it would show even if games aren't developed for it first.


The 360 provides more tradional like technology, the later more demanding games are about on par. Early Atari ST to Amiga games were also slightly subpar, later games were far superior.

Judge the PS3 based on current exlcusives like Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction and Gran Turismo Prologue (1080p) but take into account my sig below.

Soon we will have Metal Gear Solid 4 (1080p), people will already know which platform is far more powerful this year, faster than was the case for the Amiga.


I have to wonder who those people are that will know (or care) that the PS3 is "more powerful". I know that it theoretically has more power, but I can't imagine the average potential console buyer looking at one of the rare 1080p games on the PS3 and a 720p game on the 360 (that has been hardware scaled to 1080i or 1080p) and saying "Oh, my god! Look how crappy that 720p-upscaled game on the 360 looks compared to that 1080p game on the PS3! I HAVE to have a PS3!" For you and me there might be some noticible difference when comparing the two on screens that are side-by-side, but I'm playing Mass Effect right now, and the game is absolutely stunning in graphics, sound, voice acting, plot, etc. I can't see any game on the PS3 in the next 6-12 months "blowing it out of the water", so to speak. The PS3 hardware may be more powerful on paper, but it isn't a next-gen leap over the 360, as some would like to believe.

I just don't think comparing the games on the 360 to the games on the PS3 are a slam dunk for choosing a PS3.


Reviewers will know. The gap between 640 lines (Halo 3) and Metal Gear Solid 4 (1080 lines) is quite big.

Mass Effect rendering resolution is 720p, which is just fine (IMO 720p at 30 FPS should be minimal this generation, at least for 360 or PS3, if this cannot be achieved IMO sacrifices need to be made or on the PS3 game engines need to be adapted further to suit the technology). However the game has nasty texture pop-ups and suffers from framerate issues. Metal Gear Solid 4 being far more complex and rendering 1080 lines in solid 60 FPS (or 30 FPS in hectic scenes) will be quite apparent (or currenly Gran Turismo 5 Prologue in 60 FPS during gameplay or solid 30 FPS in replays), even to ordinary consumers with 1080p sets.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

man its getting good in here--i love when fan boys take a stance they can only prove to people that uninformed, and then try to spin it towards some one who knows more then thy do