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Wyrdness on 04 June 2017
Zekkyou said:

The 2008 recession makes direct comparisons on that front rather difficult. After the crash the UK's borrowing skyrocketed, and that borrowing had to be continued under the Conservatives (hence the infamous "I'm afraid there is no money" note that was left to the conservatives in 2010). Since then the Conservatives have pulled net borrowing down from its 153 billion peak to 43 billion in 2016 (about in line with what Labour were borrowing).

I'm not saying austerity has been the correct approach, but we can't linearly draw a line between it and our debt and say "it's not working". The conservatives were left with quite the shitshow when they took power.

We can clearly say it's not working and was never going to work at the time, the have always been other factors that lead to the debt but guess what the Tory line in their campaign was, a hint it hinged on the country's borrowing despite the fact that any Government would have had to do the same and when they landed in office they swore austerity was the only way and that the debt would be cut by a target year that after 5 changes still has never been hit. It's because of this that people began turning Cameron the twat and Osbourne especially after they step on the disabled like they were dirt and now the baton has been passed on to May, Davis and Howling Mad Bo Johnson for their share of the kicking as austerity turned out to just out to be a farce to cut money spent on certain groups of people mean while we're some how financially fine to go ahead and bomb the likes of Syria where one fighter jet cost over 600K to fuel and launch.



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LadyJasmine on 04 June 2017

Imo I dislike Tory cuts but Jeremy is a weakling on terror.

He would be like 'oh dear, its our fault...its not your fault you killed innocent, we made you sad and angry, there there..



Ultr on 04 June 2017
spurgeonryan said:
Being from America I know absolutely nothing about anything from any other country. I barely know what is going on in Canada, where cities are, who is in charge, what attractions there are, etx. Let alone what is going on anywhere else.

I like whoever is for the brexit.

Not to be rude or anything. So you have no idea about anything in those countries yet you have an opinion on something you clearly say you have no idea about, you just said that yourself. "Brexit is good, because I like it when countries leave stuff"



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Pyro as Bill on 04 June 2017

"Now with extra terror"

Can a mod change the thread title please. I find it very offensive that people are making light of the fact Jeremy Corbyn might become Prime Minister



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Pyro as Bill on 04 June 2017
Wyrdness said:

We can clearly say it's not working and was never going to work at the time, the have always been other factors that lead to the debt but guess what the Tory line in their campaign was, a hint it hinged on the country's borrowing despite the fact that any Government would have had to do the same and when they landed in office they swore austerity was the only way and that the debt would be cut by a target year that after 5 changes still has never been hit. It's because of this that people began turning Cameron the twat and Osbourne especially after they step on the disabled like they were dirt and now the baton has been passed on to May, Davis and Howling Mad Bo Johnson for their share of the kicking as austerity turned out to just out to be a farce to cut money spent on certain groups of people mean while we're some how financially fine to go ahead and bomb the likes of Syria where one fighter jet cost over 600K to fuel and launch.

Tax cuts for the poorest. Jobs for the unemployed. Higher minimum wage and they still cut the deficit which will probably be wiped out in the next parliament.

Labour aren't the party for the working class anymore.



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LadyJasmine on 04 June 2017

I am going to say May wins easily now after the attacks



Zekkyou on 05 June 2017
Wyrdness said:

We can clearly say it's not working and was never going to work at the time, the have always been other factors that lead to the debt but guess what the Tory line in their campaign was, a hint it hinged on the country's borrowing despite the fact that any Government would have had to do the same and when they landed in office they swore austerity was the only way and that the debt would be cut by a target year that after 5 changes still has never been hit. It's because of this that people began turning Cameron the twat and Osbourne especially after they step on the disabled like they were dirt and now the baton has been passed on to May, Davis and Howling Mad Bo Johnson for their share of the kicking as austerity turned out to just out to be a farce to cut money spent on certain groups of people mean while we're some how financially fine to go ahead and bomb the likes of Syria where one fighter jet cost over 600K to fuel and launch.

I didn't say whether it's working or not, just that you can't linearly draw a line between it and the rate our debt has increased. The same goes for those that try to linearly tie our drop in borrowing to proof it works. Both are oversimplifications.



Zekkyou on 05 June 2017
Pyro as Bill said:
Wyrdness said:

We can clearly say it's not working and was never going to work at the time, the have always been other factors that lead to the debt but guess what the Tory line in their campaign was, a hint it hinged on the country's borrowing despite the fact that any Government would have had to do the same and when they landed in office they swore austerity was the only way and that the debt would be cut by a target year that after 5 changes still has never been hit. It's because of this that people began turning Cameron the twat and Osbourne especially after they step on the disabled like they were dirt and now the baton has been passed on to May, Davis and Howling Mad Bo Johnson for their share of the kicking as austerity turned out to just out to be a farce to cut money spent on certain groups of people mean while we're some how financially fine to go ahead and bomb the likes of Syria where one fighter jet cost over 600K to fuel and launch.

Tax cuts for the poorest. Jobs for the unemployed. Higher minimum wage and they still cut the deficit which will probably be wiped out in the next parliament.

Labour aren't the party for the working class anymore.

I agree the Conservatives have done a decent job in repairing the economy (even if i think their overall approach has been rather cruel), but it's hardly fair to compare the worst post-2008 crash year for borrowing against the present day. Looking at each statistic:

Annual Deficit: Before the 2008 crash, borrowing under Labour was either in line with or under 43 billion.
NHS Budget: The Conservatives have increased spending, but not in line with inflation. It should currently be closer to 130 billion.
Minimum Wage: It's pretty much in line with inflation.
Tax Free Allowance: The TFA has increased substantially above inflation, and i personally consider it one of the Conservatives best policies.
Unemployment: As with borrowing, is was hit fairly hard by the crash. Before the crash it was hovering around 5%.
GDP: Again just keeping up with inflation. 



Wyrdness on 05 June 2017
Zekkyou said:

I didn't say whether it's working or not, just that you can't linearly draw a line between it and the rate our debt has increased. The same goes for those that try to linearly tie our drop in borrowing to proof it works. Both are oversimplifications.

You're missing the point the is no linear line being drawn as the were always other factors that showed it wasn't going to work if us working in finance could see this I'm pretty sure the so called qualified in government could as well.



Zekkyou on 05 June 2017
Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

I didn't say whether it's working or not, just that you can't linearly draw a line between it and the rate our debt has increased. The same goes for those that try to linearly tie our drop in borrowing to proof it works. Both are oversimplifications.

You're missing the point the is no linear line being drawn as the were always other factors that showed it wasn't going to work if us working in finance could see this I'm pretty sure the so called qualified in government could as well.

Your original comment used increasing debt as a direct example of austerity not working (specifically "With austerity our debt has gone up far more then when the wasn't austerity"). Given there were no qualifiers I felt 'linear' was an appropriate choice of wording. I understanding there are other factors (i mentioned one), but linear doesn't mean only. You implied that increasing debt is an example of proof that austerity doesn't work, and i was pointing out that we can't really draw a firm line between them. Do you disagree?