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DélioPT said:

Compare E3 2014 and E3 2015.

 

Okay and? The Switch isn't dead like the Wii U, and we know little about it's known line-up whereas many E3 2015 games we've known about for years. The only possible similarity this E3 could have is on the quality department for the new reveals, and it's safe to say this year will be better in that regard now that they aren't making games just to pad a schedule.

"I'll bet that surprises will be more about unknown 2017 games than 2018 games - at least for Switch."

Good that's exactly where Nintendo wants your expectations to be!



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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

They said focus on games releasing this year when they could have said focus on games coming out this year and games to come in 2018.
And that makes all the difference.

You can say that part of my reasoning is based on a rumor, but it barely changes what i'm trying to say.

I know about those 20 games, but then again, if they are coming in 2018, and Nintendo has also a lot for 2018, why make a presentation that focus in 2017?
As i said, it's more like E3 2015 when they barely announced games for wii u because they just didn't have them. And that is what i fear: a repitition of that situation.

Nintendo several times talk about point that they dont want to talk about games and to focus on game that are far away from release, thats why for quite time Nintendo is focused on games only that are relesed in near future (3-6 monts). And like I wrote, for Last Direct Nintendo said that it will have focus on Splatoon 2 and ARMS, but we actually saw plenty of games in that Direct alongside Splatoon 2 and ARMS even they biggest focuse. And that actually has sense, you will definitely not focus on game that is 1-2 year from release but actualy on games that are 3-6 months from release.

E3 2015. was totally different situation, because they didn't had what to show for Wii U and then became obvious that Nintendo start focusing on NX and they start dropping Wii U support.

That's strange... I could swear, last time we talked, you told me to not read too much into Nintendo's words. ;)

Of course they are going to say that... after E3 2014 when they started having no more projects for Wii U.
Do you really believe that if Nintendo had a lot of games planned for 2018 they wouldn't do a E3 like they did in 2014?

Thing is, when you have a lot to show you show it. That's how you sell your HW: you show your biggest weapons at the most covered event of the year.
2014: lot's of games
2015: more of the same with 1/2 announcements (Wii U)
2016: All Zelda (not even a ND)

You can point to the last ND, but i don't see how that changes anything as i'm not saying it's going to be short or that there won't be 2018 games.
I'm merely questioning why, if you have enough games for 2018, reduce your biggest showing of the year to focus on 2017 games.
And when i look at the recent past i can find a (bad) reason for that to happen.



bigtakilla said:
ktay95 said:
Why do people want to hear about games that are like a year plus away?? Remember Nintendo do directs all through out the year, they have all the time to tell us about 2018.
As cool as Shenmue 3, FFVII and TLG was waiting for them isnt. Would much prefer if Nintendo just pulled a Fallout 4 as often as possible... and no i dont mean by ruining a beloved franchise :P

Because games typically released the same year have already been announced. Mario, XC2, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart Deluxe were already announced, so what's for E3?

Based on the last 2 years, nothing really.

I am pretty sure that not all Switch 2017. games are not announced yet. For Mario Odyssey we had only one 2.5 minutes video, same goes for Xenoblade 2, only 2 minutes video, and those are game that are schedule for this year release. So big focus for announced and unnounced 2017. games, and some announcements for 2018. that will of course have smaller focus than games that will be released this year.

Are you really try to compare new Nintendo platform in its 1st year and Wii U that was already dead last 2 years!?



Einsam_Delphin said:
DélioPT said:

Compare E3 2014 and E3 2015.

 

Okay and? The Switch isn't dead like the Wii U, and we know little about it's known line-up whereas many E3 2015 games we've known about for years. The only possible similarity this E3 could have is on the quality department for the new reveals, and it's safe to say this year will be better in that regard now that they aren't making games just to pad a schedule.

"I'll bet that surprises will be more about unknown 2017 games than 2018 games - at least for Switch."

Good that's exactly where Nintendo wants your expectations to be!

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their business.



Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:

Because games typically released the same year have already been announced. Mario, XC2, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart Deluxe were already announced, so what's for E3?

Based on the last 2 years, nothing really.

I am pretty sure that not all Switch 2017. games are not announced yet. For Mario Odyssey we had only one 2.5 minutes video, same goes for Xenoblade 2, only 2 minutes video, and those are game that are schedule for this year release. So big focus for announced and unnounced 2017. games, and some announcements for 2018. that will of course have smaller focus than games that will be released this year.

Are you really try to compare new Nintendo platform in its 1st year and Wii U that was already dead last 2 years!?

I'm showing why there is concern.



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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo several times talk about point that they dont want to talk about games and to focus on game that are far away from release, thats why for quite time Nintendo is focused on games only that are relesed in near future (3-6 monts). And like I wrote, for Last Direct Nintendo said that it will have focus on Splatoon 2 and ARMS, but we actually saw plenty of games in that Direct alongside Splatoon 2 and ARMS even they biggest focuse. And that actually has sense, you will definitely not focus on game that is 1-2 year from release but actualy on games that are 3-6 months from release.

E3 2015. was totally different situation, because they didn't had what to show for Wii U and then became obvious that Nintendo start focusing on NX and they start dropping Wii U support.

That's strange... I could swear, last time we talked, you told me to not read too much into Nintendo's words. ;)

Of course they are going to say that... after E3 2014 when they started having no more projects for Wii U.
Do you really believe that if Nintendo had a lot of games planned for 2018 they wouldn't do a E3 like they did in 2014?

Thing is, when you have a lot to show you show it. That's how you sell your HW: you show your biggest weapons at the most covered event of the year.
2014: lot's of games
2015: more of the same with 1/2 announcements (Wii U)
2016: All Zelda (not even a ND)

You can point to the last ND, but i don't see how that changes anything as i'm not saying it's going to be short or that there won't be 2018 games.
I'm merely questioning why, if you have enough games for 2018, reduce your biggest showing of the year to focus on 2017 games.
And when i look at the recent past i can find a (bad) reason for that to happen.

Yes dont read too much in Nintendo's words especially if doesn't make sense and it opposite to what are they are doing, but that doesnt mean everything they say is not true, especially when is obvious that they are doing things they also saying.

Of Course I believe, I think in any case that Nintendo will have solid number of Switch games in 2018.

They showed at E3 2014 everything they had because they tried to save Wii U, at end of 2014. its was obvious that Wii U cant be saved, and they changed focus to NX, thats why at E3 2015. we didn't had any bigger new announcement, that's why they used E3 2016 to promote huge Switch launch game that will be system seller.

Point of last ND is exatly that, they will focus on 2017. games (that actautly totaly make sense), but they will also show some 2018. titles but they will not focus on them because they far away from release.

It's very obvious, Nintendo want to focus and to marketing more games that will be released and that will be in sell in near future (3-6 months), not games that will be released in 1-2 years. Recent past is bad example for comparison, because you have failed console with dropped support, while with Switch you have console that is successful with hole life in front.



DélioPT said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Okay and? The Switch isn't dead like the Wii U, and we know little about it's known line-up whereas many E3 2015 games we've known about for years. The only possible similarity this E3 could have is on the quality department for the new reveals, and it's safe to say this year will be better in that regard now that they aren't making games just to pad a schedule.

"I'll bet that surprises will be more about unknown 2017 games than 2018 games - at least for Switch."

Good that's exactly where Nintendo wants your expectations to be!

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their business.

Because its logical you will be focused on games that will be released in near future than games that will be released in year or two. Example, for instance Mario Odyssey is holiday 2017. game and new Metroid Prime is holiday 2018. game, what has more sense, to be more focused on Mario Odyssey or on new Metroid Prime at E3 2017.!? Of Course they will be focused and that they will have much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...for Mario Odyssey game that will be released in 5 months than for game that will be released in 1.5 year. And thats exatly what most likly Nintendo is doing, focus on Mario Odyssey (much more videos, infos, TreeHouse play, demo stations, marketing...), while most likly we would get just one trailer for Metroid Prime with year of relase.



DélioPT said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Okay and? The Switch isn't dead like the Wii U, and we know little about it's known line-up whereas many E3 2015 games we've known about for years. The only possible similarity this E3 could have is on the quality department for the new reveals, and it's safe to say this year will be better in that regard now that they aren't making games just to pad a schedule.

"I'll bet that surprises will be more about unknown 2017 games than 2018 games - at least for Switch."

Good that's exactly where Nintendo wants your expectations to be!

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their business.

 

Like I said, the year is 2017, not 2018, makes more sense to spend more of your limited time on the immediate future since there'll be more time later for the later stuff. We only knew of one Switch game after E3 2016, that didn't spell doom and gloom for Switch this year.

Right and they can deliver without revealing their whole 2018 line-up. On top of a great showing for the games we already know about (Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Octopath Traveler, Sonic Forces, etc.), Pokemon Stars, Pikmin 4, Retro's Game, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, SSB4 Switch, etc., even just a few of those would easily make this E3 way better than 2015 if it's not already.



p0isonparadise said:
Kai_Mao said:
Remember everyone, "focus" does NOT mean "only."

The fact that you have to clarify this is worrisome.

Lol right! The common sense here is just.......



Pocky Lover Boy! 

DélioPT said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Okay and? The Switch isn't dead like the Wii U, and we know little about it's known line-up whereas many E3 2015 games we've known about for years. The only possible similarity this E3 could have is on the quality department for the new reveals, and it's safe to say this year will be better in that regard now that they aren't making games just to pad a schedule.

"I'll bet that surprises will be more about unknown 2017 games than 2018 games - at least for Switch."

Good that's exactly where Nintendo wants your expectations to be!

Ask yourself: if Nintendo has a great number of games coming 2018 why not divide focus at E3 between 2017 and 2018 instead of focusing only on 2017? Why?

I'm not asking for them to focus primarly on 2018 or anything like that, i'm just questioning - and fearing - why they decided to focus on 2017 games at the first E3 conference after Switch launch (a bit relevant!).

I think Nintendo's intentions, as any other company's, is to make you really expect them to deliver, not to set your expectations low. That would mean that people actually think good about them and not something like "meh"; that doesn't drive their

 

Makes sense. Obviously they don't have any games ready for 2018. I mean they've been developing games for Switch since around 2015 or so. Do you really think none are ready and are going to be released in 2018? Rumor is that MK8D and SMO have been completed and we're ready at launch, but they chose to hold them back so that they could release a game a month to keep the momentum going.