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Azuren on 28 April 2017
AlfredoTurkey said:
The PS2 had legs that he PS4 simply won't have. It'll fall off eventually.

Right, because the PS4 has been front loaded for over three years.



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Lawlight on 28 April 2017
lonerism said:
PS4 is just a beast

Next step: beat Wii

This year it will pass the NES and the 3DS. Next year will be PSP, PS3 and Xbox360.



thismeintiel on 28 April 2017
Barkley said:
KBG29 said:
 
-There will very likely be a Digital Only PS4, and yes a PS4 Premium.
-$149.99 base price in holiday 2019, with a $99.99 digital only edition.
-PS4 will continue to be supported well after the PS5 launches, whether that be in 2019 or 2024.

You say the strangest things.

Yes, yes he does.  You missed the OS part he always talks about. The OS wars are over.  Windows/Mac has PC, with Linux has a very small margin. And Android and iOS has phones/tablets, with Windows making up a shrinking margin.  There's no point in Sony killing the sales they do have because they don't use the standard OSs, just so they can try to compete in a war already won.

Ljink96 said:
It's not going to beat it though. I know the evidence says otherwise, but remember it was the early to late 2000's PS2 was the cheapest DVD player on the market. I know a lot of family members that had one just to act as a DVD player. Although PS4 does Blu Ray, the demand for it isn't as high due to streaming services like Netflix. I think 95-100M LT, no way it's getting past that tbh.

In the early 2000s, yes, PS2 was one of the cheapest DVD players. In mid 2000, that was no longer the case.  You could get one for less than $50.  The high attach rate also debunks this DVD player myth.

As for the PS4, you honestly think that there's a chance it only does 9M over the PS3? Really?  Sure, I don't think it'll beat the PS2, but it's going do at least 20M more than the PS3. More likely, 30M-40M. It's not even hit $199, yet.  And then you have the Pro, which is still full price. Once it hits $299, sales for it are going to rise.



 

riecsou on 28 April 2017

Ps5 needs to be $600 for PS4 to be even close to what the PS2 sold. The $600 entry price for the PS3 was great advertisement for the PS2 lol



aLkaLiNE on 28 April 2017

110mil even seems assured. At some point we'll see a $150 ps4, perhaps even $100 on black Friday's. That will be insane.



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Barkley on 28 April 2017

PlayStation made more profit last year then any year since 1998.

So from a profit standpoint they're doing better than they did in the ps2 days.



thismeintiel on 28 April 2017
BraLoD said:
Azuren said:

Right, because the PS4 has been front loaded for over three years.

I think you missed his point.
PS2 lags were completely different, they kept for years after the PS3 came.
That accounts on both the PS2 was really cheap and completely one sided dominating anything and the PS3 was up to a rough start.

PS4 has more competition than the PS2 ever had on its entire lifespan by the end of this year, and they learned from the PS3 mistakes so the PS5 should not get eaten by the PS4 and the sales should flow more normally when it comes.

That will prevent the PS4 from having the same kind of lags the PS2 did, and eventually failing to match its total sales by a good amount, even if it's still tracking ahead of it.

While I agree it won't match the PS2. Sony has done a couple of smart things to help its legs. For one, by using less custom chips, the price of the PS4 will be able to drop more in line with the PS2. The PS3 didn't drop to $249 til it's 5th year on the market. PS4 will hit that this year, its 4th. He'll, it may even see a cut to $199.  A cut that happened so late in the PS3's lifespan, it made little difference.  That $199 price came along with the launch of the PS4. When the PS5 comes, the PS4 will most likely be $149, with an actual chance Sony can get it down to $99-$129.  That'll do wonders for its legs.

Then, you have the Pro, which uses the same chips as the PS4, only overclocked and doubled up on the GPU. It's going to be enhancing PS4 games til they stop making them and will make it cheaper to make for Sony, allowing for faster price cuts. This year it will definitely be dropping to $349, but there is a possibility Sony gets aggressive and launches a Pro Slim for $299. If so, we're going to see a nice boost in its sales for the coming months.  And I imagine once that thing hits $199, it will be making up ~40% of the PS4's sales.

Like I said, I don't expect the PS4 to beat the PS2, but I don't think we need to worry about its legs. Even after the arrival of the PS5. There's going to be a $250-$300 price gap between the two.  And probably a $150-$200 gap between it and the Pro.



 

asqarkabab on 28 April 2017

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thismeintiel on 28 April 2017
BraLoD said:
thismeintiel said:

While I agree it won't match the PS2. Sony has done a couple of smart things to help its legs. For one, by using less custom chips, the price of the PS4 will be able to drop more in line with the PS2. The PS3 didn't drop to $249 til it's 5th year on the market. PS4 will hit that this year, its 4th. He'll, it may even see a cut to $199.  A cut that happened so late in the PS3's lifespan, it made little difference.  That $199 price came along with the launch of the PS4. When the PS5 comes, the PS4 will most likely be $149, with an actual chance Sony can get it down to $99-$129.  That'll do wonders for its legs.

Then, you have the Pro, which uses the same chips as the PS4, only overclocked and doubled up on the GPU. It's going to be enhancing PS4 games til they stop making them and will make it cheaper to make for Sony, allowing for faster price cuts. This year it will definitely be dropping to $349, but there is a possibility Sony gets aggressive and launches a Pro Slim for $299. If so, we're going to see a nice boost in its sales for the coming months.  And I imagine once that thing hits $199, it will be making up ~40% of the PS4's sales.

Like I said, I don't expect the PS4 to beat the PS2, but I don't think we need to worry about its legs. Even after the arrival of the PS5. There's going to be a $250-$300 price gap between the two.  And probably a $150-$200 gap between it and the Pro.

I'm not worried about the PS4 lags, PlayStation and lags are basically a given, I'm just poiting him that the PS4 will not have the same lags as the PS2 very likely, which was what the post he quoted was saying.

Is it hip to say lags, now? 

Anyway, I'm just being on the safe side and saying it won't match the PS2.  I'm still thinking 115M-125M.  But, who knows.  This is the first time we have had a mid-gen upgrade of this kind.  It may help sustain sales more than we think when it's $249 when the PS5 launches and most games are cross-gen for the first year or two.



 

Kerotan on 28 April 2017

Ps4 is just a different beast this gen. And it's super profitable too. The next fiscal year and the one after those profits will continue to soar.