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Goatseye said:

It spans from indignation to rage. Not wanting to see a group get recognition for WWII fits somewhere in that spectrum.

It shouldn't have upset you that they announced that even for commercial reason. It doens't diminish the experience or tarnish names in them doing so. On the contrary, it just informs people that usually don't see certain gropus get represented, get their stories told for once or rarely in that scenario.

So, I'm not disagreeing that it shouldn't be portrayed, I don't care enough about it to be "upset" in any kind. But what you said doesn't make any sense. They wouldn't be portrayed, because those groups were marginal. The point is that including those groups diminishes the recognition of the vast majority of soldiers, because the depiction is disproportionate.



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Bristow9091 said:
Goatseye said:

It spans from indignation to rage. Not wanting to see a group get recognition for WWII fits somewhere in that spectrum.

It shouldn't have upset you that they announced that even for commercial reason. It doens't diminish the experience or tarnish names in them doing so. On the contrary, it just informs people that usually don't see certain gropus get represented, get their stories told for once or rarely in that scenario.

... It DIDN'T upset me, I said "if there were anything I'd be upset/angry over"... notice the word "if" right there? You're really using your anger to drag this on for much longer than it needs to be, and I'd really appreciate it if you could just drop it for hereon, since it's getting rather tiresome having to reply to you.

I agree.



Kaneman! said:
Goatseye said:

It spans from indignation to rage. Not wanting to see a group get recognition for WWII fits somewhere in that spectrum.

It shouldn't have upset you that they announced that even for commercial reason. It doens't diminish the experience or tarnish names in them doing so. On the contrary, it just informs people that usually don't see certain gropus get represented, get their stories told for once or rarely in that scenario.

So, I'm not disagreeing that it shouldn't be portrayed, I don't care enough about it to be "upset" in any kind. But what you said doesn't make any sense. They wouldn't be portrayed, because those groups were marginal. The point is that including those groups diminishes the recognition of the vast majority of soldiers, because the depiction is disproportionate.

Does it really dimishes the recognition of other WWII stories to make a game about 82nd Airborne feats?

How many movies and books are there about D-Day, Patton (a single man), 82nd, 1st ID, etc... how would a recount from a different perspective take away the recognition of the rest that fought?



I personally don't care who I end up playing as in a game but it's always good to have more options and inclusion is a good thing, the only thing is i've said before that there are tons of people who act as though women being featured in any capacity is somehow "SJW" nowadays which literally makes no sense, it has nothing to do with politics but literally just treating everyone the same and it has always been the case. So when I see people singling out this as though it's some "special" thing such as with this announcement, while it's a good thing to highlight, I don't want it to feed into the idea that it's somehow not normal for female characters that some people are pushing and that adding them is some rare thing, just treat it as normal so these people have to get used to it. (Because somehow they aren't I guess. Where have they been for the past few decades). 

It also gives me a sort of corporate PR speak every now and then when some companies do this because it makes me feel like they think they can pat themselves on the back and expect good pr just for doing bare minimum but not actually caring about it behind the scenes. 

Edit: I've edited this comment and rewritten it as to more accurately portray what I meant to say at the time, as it was originally written poorly. 

Last edited by FloatingWaffles - on 14 August 2021

PrincessPeach said:
They do this so Neogaf members can play it.

Why ?



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Goatseye said:

Does it eally dimishes the recognition of other WWII stories to make a game about 82nd Airborne feats?

Oh, I don't mind if a specific story is portrayed. I don't even mind how they're gonna portray the scenario that they'll portray in the game.

My point is that looking from your standpoint, NOT portraying something isn't directly diminishing their part in the war if it was minuscule in comparison to the big picture. I'm not saying it shouldn't be portrayed, I'm saying that it not being portrayed doesn't necessary mean discrimination.

Personally, I'd be happy with multiple war theatres, being able to play both sides. Include the Winter War, Japan's invasion of China, partisans in Yugoslavia, etc.

I don't think a game focusing only on the specific minor groups would be bad either. A focused shooter based on a certain division/group would be very interesting as well.



Kaneman! said:
Goatseye said:

Does it eally dimishes the recognition of other WWII stories to make a game about 82nd Airborne feats?

Oh, I don't mind if a specific story is portrayed. I don't even mind how they're gonna portray the scenario that they'll portray in the game.

My point is that looking from your standpoint, NOT portraying something isn't directly diminishing their part in the war if it was minuscule in comparison to the big picture. I'm not saying it shouldn't be portrayed, I'm saying that it not being portrayed doesn't necessary mean discrimination.

Personally, I'd be happy with multiple war theatres, being able to play both sides. Include the Winter War, Japan's invasion of China, partisans in Yugoslavia, etc.

I don't think a game focusing only on the specific minor groups would be bad either. A focused shooter based on a certain division/group would be very interesting as well.

I didn't argue that. 

People called into question wether women/minorities (specifically African Americans in this case) participated in the front lines. And all this convo is about people getting upset, because Sledgehammer is pandering to "SJW" and the likes.



Goatseye said:

I didn't argue that. 

People called into question wether women/minorities (specifically African Americans in this case) participated in the front lines. And all this convo is about people getting upset, because Sledgehammer is pandering to "SJW" and the likes.

I misunderstood you then, my bad.



Kaneman! said:
Goatseye said:

I didn't argue that. 

People called into question wether women/minorities (specifically African Americans in this case) participated in the front lines. And all this convo is about people getting upset, because Sledgehammer is pandering to "SJW" and the likes.

I misunderstood you then, my bad.

No issue. Watch out though, cause I'm angry... apparently.



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
PrincessPeach said:
They do this so Neogaf members can play it.

Why ?

I'm just goofing.

There are a lot of sexist members on Neogaf who refuse to play games that have male protagonists. It's a very creepy forum.