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VGPolyglot on 16 April 2017
haxxiy said:
VGPolyglot said:
We need to get rid of the notion of patriotism and nationalism anyways, and strive for a world without borders, states and economic competition.

Yup. This is 100% guaranteed to work.

It even makes me wonder why hasn't everybody yet realized the brilliance of such line of reasoning. Silly human beings!

Why don't you take the first step, VGPolyglot? Like, donating all your stuff and opening the doors of your house. As Diogenes would agree, none of it has any intrisic value in nature. Someone has to start it, after all.

I assure I'll fully support you down the way, so no worries herre buddy.

There are multiple reasons for that:

1. I am not a business owner. I don't own the means of production. So, I cannot give it up and give it to the workers.

2. Where I am employed I am not in a union, so it gives me and my co-workers much less power in regards to what we can do. If I attempted to do something, like strike, I would lose my job.



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 16 April 2017

Lower workers wages, crush unions, devalue its currency to put in on a level field with currency manipulator China.



Rab on 16 April 2017

By blowing them up



LurkerJ on 16 April 2017
SvennoJ said:
US could stop pumping half its budget in the military and start focusing on the problems within its borders.

 

pokoko said:
First, let the rest of the world take care of itself. Yes, that mindset did result in WW II in the past but ... well, maybe this time the rest of the world can not fuck up so badly? Who knows. It's just that we spend so much in foreign aid and so much lending military strength to allies. Meanwhile, they use the US as a political boogieman while taking all the help they can get.

Cut them free. Russia can have Europe and China can have Japan and South Korea. I have no idea what will happen with India, though. Anyway, as long as they don't come across the ocean, let them sort out their own continents.

As for the rest, we need jobs. I'm not a fan of Trump but I'm fully willing to give him credit if he can sort this out. Time to stop worrying about the economies of other countries and start using our market as leverage. If you want to do business here they you'd better contribute. China sure as hell didn't get where they are today by playing nice.

But you can't cut them free. That's the problem.

Read about the Bretton Woods conference, the Nixon shock, the petrodollar system, Saddam's decision to sell Iraqi's oil in exchange for Euros instead of dollars, and finally, read about Gadhafi's plans to quit selling oil in US dollars and demanding payment in Golden Dinars. Those will explain to you the wars in Iraq and Libya, you will also learn why you will never slap Saudi Arabia on the wrist for its clear human rights violations.

Then read about the TAPI and IPI pipelines, those will explain why you've been in Afghanistan, "the Saudi Arabia of lithium", for over a decade. It will also explain to you why Iran is such a thorn in the US's throat, and in many of your allies' throats. Iran's sanctions? Have a map readily available to you whenever you read about these countries and their pipelines projects.

The conflict in Syria is mainy just another fight between gas suppliers and their desire to be Europe's next energy provider.

The USA wars are expensive, but withdrawing from these wars is even more expensive. That's what Trump has just realised, that's why you will never have a president who isn't gonna engage in wars any time soon. 



SvennoJ on 16 April 2017
LurkerJ said:
SvennoJ said:
US could stop pumping half its budget in the military and start focusing on the problems within its borders.

 

pokoko said:
First, let the rest of the world take care of itself. Yes, that mindset did result in WW II in the past but ... well, maybe this time the rest of the world can not fuck up so badly? Who knows. It's just that we spend so much in foreign aid and so much lending military strength to allies. Meanwhile, they use the US as a political boogieman while taking all the help they can get.

Cut them free. Russia can have Europe and China can have Japan and South Korea. I have no idea what will happen with India, though. Anyway, as long as they don't come across the ocean, let them sort out their own continents.

As for the rest, we need jobs. I'm not a fan of Trump but I'm fully willing to give him credit if he can sort this out. Time to stop worrying about the economies of other countries and start using our market as leverage. If you want to do business here they you'd better contribute. China sure as hell didn't get where they are today by playing nice.

But you can't cut them free. That's the problem.

Read about the Bretton Woods conference, the Nixon shock, the petrodollar system, Saddam's decision to sell Iraqi's oil in exchange for Euros instead of dollars, and finally, read about Gadhafi's plans to quit selling oil in US dollars and demanding payment in Golden Dinars. Those will explain to you the wars in Iraq and Libya, you will also learn why you will never slap Saudi Arabia on the wrist for its clear human rights violations.

Then read about the TAPI and IPI pipelines, those will explain why you've been in Afghanistan, "the Saudi Arabia of lithium", for over a decade. It will also explain to you why Iran is such a thorn in the US's throat, and in many of your allies' throats. Iran's sanctions? Have a map readily available to you whenever you read about these countries and their pipelines projects.

The conflict in Syria is mainy just another fight between gas suppliers and their desire to be Europe's next energy provider.

The USA wars are expensive, but withdrawing from these wars is even more expensive. That's what Trump has just realised, that's why you will never have a president who isn't gonna engage in wars any time soon. 

Yet one wonders if the budget the US has pumped into the military to basically defend the dollar as a world currency, if that could have been better spend on developing alternative energy technologies. Nuclear fusion could already have been up and running, a hydrogen fuel economy well underway with the US a leader in sustainable energy technology. But big companies don't like change and want to keep the oil dollars flowing for as long as possible. It won't last though, I wonder how our grandchildren will look back on mass air travel...



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LurkerJ on 16 April 2017
SvennoJ said:
LurkerJ said:

 

But you can't cut them free. That's the problem.

Read about the Bretton Woods conference, the Nixon shock, the petrodollar system, Saddam's decision to sell Iraqi's oil in exchange for Euros instead of dollars, and finally, read about Gadhafi's plans to quit selling oil in US dollars and demanding payment in Golden Dinars. Those will explain to you the wars in Iraq and Libya, you will also learn why you will never slap Saudi Arabia on the wrist for its clear human rights violations.

Then read about the TAPI and IPI pipelines, those will explain why you've been in Afghanistan, "the Saudi Arabia of lithium", for over a decade. It will also explain to you why Iran is such a thorn in the US's throat, and in many of your allies' throats. Iran's sanctions? Have a map readily available to you whenever you read about these countries and their pipelines projects.

The conflict in Syria is mainy just another fight between gas suppliers and their desire to be Europe's next energy provider.

The USA wars are expensive, but withdrawing from these wars is even more expensive. That's what Trump has just realised, that's why you will never have a president who isn't gonna engage in wars any time soon. 

Yet one wonders if the budget the US has pumped into the military to basically defend the dollar as a world currency, if that could have been better spend on developing alternative energy technologies. Nuclear fusion could already have been up and running, a hydrogen fuel economy well underway with the US a leader in sustainable energy technology. But big companies don't like change and want to keep the oil dollars flowing for as long as possible. It won't last though, I wonder how our grandchildren will look back on mass air travel...

No one wonders about that of course, just keep feeding people the "dems vs repubs" imaginary differences and bathroom politics to fight over.



konnichiwa on 16 April 2017
SvennoJ said:
LurkerJ said:

 

 

Yet one wonders if the budget the US has pumped into the military to basically defend the dollar as a world currency, if that could have been better spend on developing alternative energy technologies. Nuclear fusion could already have been up and running, a hydrogen fuel economy well underway with the US a leader in sustainable energy technology. But big companies don't like change and want to keep the oil dollars flowing for as long as possible. It won't last though, I wonder how our grandchildren will look back on mass air travel...

Well it resulted in a strong dollar...and is one of those things Trump complained about because other countries like every year more EU countries are having a surplus in their expenses the US deficit has passed 20 trillion (or almost). Sustainable energy investments are not that low in US but compared to other countries it feels like it only cost money while others make money with it..

A nice example:



Tesla is basically in value almost the biggest car producer in USA but barely sells cars compared to the other ones and barely had a quarter where it made money. Tesla is basically a huge risk and can potentially can fall hard when an other USA manufacturer starts to sell the same kind of cars for less than the price of Tesla car (that by the way is stilll way to expensive for the average car buyer).






LurkerJ on 16 April 2017
konnichiwa said:

Well it resulted in a strong dollar...and is one of those things Trump complained about because other countries like every year more EU countries are having a surplus in their expenses the US deficit has passed 20 trillion (or almost). Sustainable energy investments are not that low in US but compared to other countries it feels like it only cost money while others make money with it..

A nice example:



Tesla is basically in value almost the biggest car producer in USA but barely sells cars compared to the other ones and barely had a quarter where it made money. Tesla is basically a huge risk and can potentially can fall hard when an other USA manufacturer starts to sell the same kind of cars for less than the price of Tesla car (that by the way is stilll way to expensive for the average car buyer).

Tesla's value isn't high just because of electric car though, right? They have many adventures that aren't exclusive to cars, multiple "smart" solutions for renewable energy propped up their value.

Back to the USA economy... Where are they heading with that ever rising deficit? I don't get it. 



Pemalite on 16 April 2017
LurkerJ said:

Tesla's value isn't high just because of electric car though, right? They have many adventures that aren't exclusive to cars, multiple "smart" solutions for renewable energy propped up their value.

Back to the USA economy... Where are they heading with that ever rising deficit? I don't get it. 

This. They do have a foot in the battery market.



Tesla's value is due to the future prospect of the company. The future is all electric.

Besides, all stocks contain a degree of risk anyway. You aren't entitled to ever-increasing return on investment without risk. Even housing carries risk.




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gtaguidelng on 17 April 2017
Pemalite said:
gtaguidelng said:
they don't need to compete, America even with all its flaws is still the gold standard that other countries tries to emulate.

And yet Healthcare, Education, Standard of Living, Income Equality and even various indexes like Economic Freedom the USA falls short on.

as if china is any better? China's Coastal cities = Modern/Advanced, Chinas' Interior =   like you’ve stumbled into one of the poorest corners of Africa.