so why do you have an account here then NIKOS?

if you don't care about sales, then Gamefaqs' got tens of thousends of boards where you can talk about gaming only, without idiots discussing sales

whereas what separates vgchartz with other gaming sites is the focus on sales and discussion about sales..

so... are you lost?

Actually a lot of people here are investors in one or more of the big 3 companies.

In any case, I'd appreciate it if you mind your own business. What I do with my time is my choice, if you don't like it then you don't have to spend your time that way (which ironically you are).

I don't think anyone around here is looking for a fascist dictator to tell them how to live their life so perhaps you should try another forum?

Hmm going from 75% market share to, more than likely if they win, less than 50% market share. No how could anyone see that as a victory. More like a man we got lucky we were even able to pull this out. Nintendo and MS has gained, but Sony has lost so much already. And even if Sony just barely pulls this one out, it's an entire different race in the 8th generation.

for sony to win they need to beat the 360, as they are in the same market (hardcore gamers), whereas the Wii is in another market (casual gamers).

1) If sales maintain their 2008 paces for both the PS3 and 360, it would still take 2 years for the PS3 to catch the 360. While I don't expect that to happen exactly, I'm not yet convinced that the PS3 can get a big enough sales differential to overtake the 360 by a substantial margin before the NeXBox is announced, at which point most people will stop caring about this horse race.

2) No matter what happens to the PS3, Sony is the clear loser this generation simply because it has lost so much of the market that it used to dominate. The best it can hope for, I think, is that people looking back on the PS3 will think "nice recovery" rather than "total collapse".

3) MS will be a push, at best, small victory at most, because while it will finish either 2nd or 3rd, it will have increased its market share since the XBox1, and given Sony a run for their money (albiet because Sony dropped their balls). 8 years ago people questioned whether MS could even compete in this business, and now there is no question that they are a legitmate player, and, at least in the US, the console of choice for "hardcore" gamers.

4) Nintendo wins this generation, barring an unprecedented collapse. But Nintendo has to recognize based on prior generations that brand loyalty is heavily overrated in this business. They have shown MS and Sony how to get to this new market, and should expect them to try to mimic and top Nintendo's efforts in the next generation. Just as the DVD-driven PS2 shaped the development of the PS3 and 360, so too will the Wii's unique interface shape the next generation. Whether this will be a successful strategy or not can't yet be known, but I honestly think that, at thispoint, the next generation is going to be completely up for grabs, with the lone exception of MS in Japan. This is a big change from the "PS3 will own all" attitude at the start of this generation, and that is nothing but a loss for Sony.

Whether the ball comes back down to Earth is not certain - it depends upon the ball's density. So I guess the question at hand is, how dense is redarmia? :p

The casual and hardcore thing again. Don't even seriously think that many hardcore players don't enjoy the wii console. That hardcore / casual argument is so pretencious, untrue, discriminating and childish.

 i didnt say there wasnt crossover, all i said was that they were consoles marketed at different gamers, which is true.

I'd say it would be highly unlikely for several reasons.

1. The Sony reputation was at a high back in 2002. It is substantially less high now.

2. The PS2 had hit below $200, considered to be the ideal price point. The PS3 is at least 2 holidays away from that price, even a discount model.

3. In 2001, the PS2 had a near perfect holiday, with every big game - GTA3, Devil May Cry, MGS2, GT3, FFX - coming up aces both in reviews and sales. By the 2002 holiday, neither MS nor Nintendo had anything to match that (MS had Halo only, Nintendo SSBM), and in fact many of those games (esp GTA3) were still in demand the next holiday. This generation, no console appears to have a monopoly on big titles.

4. 2002 saw a huge shift in 3rd party support away from MS and Nintendo, towards Sony. This further shored up PS2's library while undermining the compeition. Such a shift is not happening this generation, and 3Ps seem to have learned the value of not tossing all their chips behind one console.

5. DVD sales were a huge factor for the PS2 in 2001 and 2002.BluRay, as of yet, doesn't appear likely to have the same sort of demand, and it is very possible that BR hardware will drop below PS3 prices this year or next, which will reduce incentive to buy a PS3 as a BR Player at exactly the time that BR demand will be increasing.

Keep telling your self that all you want but it wont make it true.

Just look at wii sports and Metroid sales.  If wii had all that many hardcore gamers, they would have gobbled up quaity game like Metroid unless you think Metroid is not all that a good game.