By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - America is a bigger threat to world peace than North Korea

KLAMarine said:
Eagle367 said:

Oh my damn effing goodness. USA has killed far more innocents in drone strikes than militants. Drone strikes are some of the most inefficient ways to kill targets and anyone with a bear in their 20s to 30s and of a certain height are targets. I could be killed by a damn drone strike. There has been research conducted on how inefficient it is and what the criteria for a strike is.

How does one distinguish between militant and civilian? It's not like militants always wear an official uniform. If I were a militant, I'd make sure not to wear a uniform so that I could blend in with the general public and make the opposition's job harder.

Eagle367 said:

And breaking international law is not excusable in any way. There are terrorists in India UK and France and Europe and USA as well do you want drones in Europe and USA as well. The reason there are terrorists in Pakistan is because its so damn close to Afghanistan just like cartels are in America because its so close to Mexico. That does not give the USA any right to fire unsanctioned stupid inefficient innocent murdering drone strikes. We have one of the worlds best armies we can take care of ourselves these stupid drones have killed more innocents anyway. And USA has burned villages in Adghansi knowing full well that innocents are in those villages. There is nothing unintentional about the innocents it kills. You will have an excuse ready for every situation won't you. Even if that excuse is stupid and weak you'll still say something wrong just to try to justify the murders the USA has commuted. The US technically is a war criminal as well as an international criminal but like I said technicalities don't matter when you have the world's greatest army

As powerful as your army is, someone as notorious as Bin Laden has been able to take refuge across international lines. Bin Laden, someone who has INTENTIONALLY targeted innocents. There's been plenty of innocent deaths from all sides but not all sides target them intentionally.

Here's an interesting idea: you make sure through intelligence that the person you are targeting is a terrorist or better yet instead of drone striking random targets based on shaky intelligence cooperate with the local military who fights these terrorists everyday to investigate and deal with them since breaking international law should not be something you just shrug off. You don't just take to the skies to see if you can find yourself a 30 something male with a beard cause that is the literal(actual) criteria which they use to target individuals. Can you imagine if that was in America and it was a 30 something white male with no beard. How many innocents would that kill. Also use ways that are not as inefficient as a blind guy without any skills throwing dart. You do realise that USA made Osama Bin Ladin who he was. He was an american agent gone rogue and on that subject, if the Pakistani government did not know about the ladin but you also let terrorists hijack planes from the Pentagon. Do all sorts of crazy shit in your own airspace and could do nothing as they attacked the pentagon and the twin towers. If you claim that the Pakistani government willfully did nothing to stop Bin Ladin then I can just as easily claim USA did nothing to stop 9/11 and might have even facilitated it



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

Around the Network

So....North Korea just attempted ANOTHER missile test and FAILED....Lol.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/asia/north-korea-missile-test/index.html


No confirmation on if it was intercontinental or not and we are still arguing.....

All the more CONFIRMATION this thread is BULLSHIT...🤣🤣🤣



Leadified said:
Ruler said:

There are reports that the rebels are in possession of chemical weapons as well.

If Russia/USSR wouldnt have invaded Manchuria, WW2 would still be going on, So i dont get how you can blame the USSR if they freed China and the Korean peninsuela from Japanese Fascists/Imperialists.

The Mujahideen existed for centuries in Afghanistan, they were supported by the US and Saudi Arabia in the Soviet/Civil War in Afghanistan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

America and europe allready are involved in the Sunni-Shia conflcit and they obviously pick the Sunni side lead by Saudi Arabia, despite that every terrorist attack in the west were done by Sunni Muslims so far.

Its the US who isolated North Korea to the ground thanks to their embargos and sanctions, they are the most independent and isolated state on the planet now. Thats why they can afford to have a nuclear programm in the first place. Any other devoloping country would give up their nuclear weapons ounce other countries would stop trading with it like Iran had to.

The international aid stopped long time ago for North Korea, and North Korea allready can substain itself. The Nuclear weapon maybe would also benifit their economy as they wouldnt need to employ 2 million soldiers every day in order to defend themselfs against a potential invasion, like what the US did in Iraq. And they wouldnt want to have a Nuke if these US invasions in Iraq or Lybia wouldnt have happened.

There weren't reports that Assad had chemical weapons, he did. A batch of them were destroyed in 2014.

The Soviet Union helping to end the war does not excuse propping up a fascist regime like the Kim family and invading the south. American and Saudi support for the mujahideen only happened because the Soviets invaded. Also, why should Russia get involved in messes that America and Europe are involved in? Two wrongs don't make a right.

North Korea isolated itself, it's a part of the Juche ideology, which is much closer to the Japanese fascism than any form of communism. I don't know how you can call North Korea sustainable, the country was crippled by the fall of the USSR and has never recovered since. The whole show is smoke and mirrors, all these bombastic remarks are just to suck up foreign aid.

The only reason that North Korea still exists is because of China, who does not want to deal with American presence at its border nor a massive refugee crisis from the state collapsing on itself. Nuclear weapons are impractical, unless if North Korea is feeling suicidal.

It wasnt a fascist regime when it was founded, it used to be Marxist-Leninist and turned to it own Juche ideology a different branche of communist/socialist idology.

Juche is not a Fascist idiology. In fact Fascism isnt even an idiology its a reactonary tedandcy inside capitalism, that happens if liberal democracy cant substain the system against a communist uprising anymore. Thats why you see people associating all kind of things with it without really being able to explain what it really is.

The fact that they can build nuclear weapons proofs it, every other none nuclear country wouldnt even come as far espacially Third World countries, of which many would actually like to have a nuke i assume. No one is starving in North Korea now, they defentiatley made progress in the last view years.

The only reason why North Korea exist is because they have a 2 Million army, most of them growing up without the internet and who are actually ready to die for their country wittout getting an extrenomic paycheck like American soldiers do. But this is just my opinion.


 



TheTruthHurts! said:
So....North Korea just attempted ANOTHER missile test and FAILED....Lol.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/asia/north-korea-missile-test/index.html


No confirmation on if it was intercontinental or not and we are still arguing.....

All the more CONFIRMATION this thread is BULLSHIT...🤣🤣🤣

Why shouldnt we argue? This thread is proof that people are actually are more worried about the US than North Korea now. 

And this failed test still doesnt guarantee the US under Trump wont respond.

It also look like it could be done on propoise by North Korea as a tactical move, to show the US  that they still are ready but not to provoke the US at the same time.



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm saying that again because you're points are devolving into absurdity. You're clearly exaggerating with your examples of what war is but I don't know if you're doing that intentionally or that you're just ignorant of what war is. I can't take you seriously when you're doing something like that repeatedly either way. I try to treat everyone as a sensible person that is intelligent will debate using logic but you're going off the rails with this. I'm not interested in continuing conversations with people who are being silly.

 

sil·ly

/ˈsilē/

adjective

1.

having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish:

"another of his silly jokes"

So, you say that they're not attempting to destory governments, I say that they're trying to overthrow the Syrian government (and the Houthi regmine in Yemen too, for that matter), and you say that my response is not based on logic? It's also because your checklist of what constitutes a war is too limited in today's world, where the majority of conflicts do not involve declarations of war, and where the United States has such power that they can keep the conflict entirely out of American territory, that I gave the North Korean example: it's supposed to be absurd, and if you saw it that way it was the whole point, because you used the exact same logic to say that the United States wasn't at war.

SK went to war with SK. It was declared and it fits the definition of war. All of the other examples you mentioned are absurd. My definition fits perfectly with today's definition of it. You're the one that is confused on this. 

Since you're still not getting it. 

war

/wôr/

noun

1.

a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state:

 

The US is not at war with those countries. 



Around the Network
Ruler said:

The fact that they can build nuclear weapons proofs it, every other none nuclear country wouldnt even come as far espacially Third World countries, of which many would actually like to have a nuke i assume. No one is starving in North Korea now, they defentiatley made progress in the last view years.

Just to check, is your argument legitimately "they have nuclear weapons, therefore they must be so developed that citizens aren't starving?" If so, Stalinist Russia would like a word with you.

But no, hunger is definitely an issue in North Korea. The UN estimates that 70% of the Korean population is food insecure, four fifths of all North Korean children are believed to suffer from acute malnutrition, and on top of that, last year, North Korea publicly warned its own citizens in the Rodong Sinnum (its own mouthpiece newspaper) that they should brace themselves for an incoming famine while simultaneously requesting half a million tons of food aid from other countries.



Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, you say that they're not attempting to destory governments, I say that they're trying to overthrow the Syrian government (and the Houthi regmine in Yemen too, for that matter), and you say that my response is not based on logic? It's also because your checklist of what constitutes a war is too limited in today's world, where the majority of conflicts do not involve declarations of war, and where the United States has such power that they can keep the conflict entirely out of American territory, that I gave the North Korean example: it's supposed to be absurd, and if you saw it that way it was the whole point, because you used the exact same logic to say that the United States wasn't at war.

SK went to war with SK. It was declared and it fits the definition of war. All of the other examples you mentioned are absurd. My definition fits perfectly with today's definition of it. You're the one that is confused on this. 

Since you're still not getting it. 

war

/wôr/

noun

1.

a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state:

 

The US is not at war with those countries. 

Yes, that's exactly what the US is doing. They're using arms (troops with weapons and bombs) to get into conflict with other nations and states.



America might be a bigger but North Korea is increasing its potential to become a bigger problem every year. What if they sell their nukes on the black market or they manage to actually develop missles to cross over to the US, what if they just decide its time to blow up south korea.

America might have made more of a mess and continues to do so but they are more predictable and will inflict less damage then North Korea will potentially do if left unchecked.




Twitter @CyberMalistix

Eagle367 said:
KLAMarine said:

How does one distinguish between militant and civilian? It's not like militants always wear an official uniform. If I were a militant, I'd make sure not to wear a uniform so that I could blend in with the general public and make the opposition's job harder.

As powerful as your army is, someone as notorious as Bin Laden has been able to take refuge across international lines. Bin Laden, someone who has INTENTIONALLY targeted innocents. There's been plenty of innocent deaths from all sides but not all sides target them intentionally.

Here's an interesting idea: you make sure through intelligence that the person you are targeting is a terrorist or better yet instead of drone striking random targets based on shaky intelligence cooperate with the local military who fights these terrorists everyday to investigate and deal with them since breaking international law should not be something you just shrug off. You don't just take to the skies to see if you can find yourself a 30 something male with a beard cause that is the literal(actual) criteria which they use to target individuals. Can you imagine if that was in America and it was a 30 something white male with no beard. How many innocents would that kill. Also use ways that are not as inefficient as a blind guy without any skills throwing dart.

Where did you read up on the criteria used?

Eagle367 said:

You do realise that USA made Osama Bin Ladin who he was. He was an american agent gone rogue and on that subject, if the Pakistani government did not know about the ladin but you also let terrorists hijack planes from the Pentagon. Do all sorts of crazy shit in your own airspace and could do nothing as they attacked the pentagon and the twin towers. If you claim that the Pakistani government willfully did nothing to stop Bin Ladin then I can just as easily claim USA did nothing to stop 9/11 and might have even facilitated it

It's called the element of surprise. I think that's one reason why drone strikes are appealing to military operations. Also appealed to the 911 hijackers.



Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

I just listed Afghanistan, which has troops, and 7 different countries that they're bombing. You don't count that as war? If North Korea bombed the United States, that wouldn't count as an act of war?

Nope. For us to be at war, we would have to declare it or another country would have to declare it. Bombing terrorists in the sand dunes and mountains doesn't count. It would be silly if it did. We're not trying to destroy those countries' governments. If NK bombed us, we would declare war on them then go to war with them. 

We technically are at war with North Korea.  Korean War never actually ended, no peace treaty was ever signed, just a ceasefire.  So we have been at war for a very long time...