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Like I said, I am tottaly in favor of emulation of older discontinued systems. The games should live on and be played forever.
But not emulation of newly released games and systems, this is just a glorification of piracy, and those here who defend otherwise are just insulting their own intelligence, let alone the others. 99,999999% of the emulator users DO NOT own a copy of the game!

Again, emulating abandoned systems and games is acceptable, they should live on, emulating new games is piracy and should have legal consequences! I just hope Nintendo is acting against those people.



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Tryklon said:

99,999999% of the emulator users DO NOT own a copy of the game!

Citation needed.



唯一無二のRolStoppableに認められた、VGCの任天堂ファミリーの正式メンバーです。光栄に思います。

OdinHades said:
Tryklon said:

99,999999% of the emulator users DO NOT own a copy of the game!

Citation needed.

Here is you citation:

"Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

How Does Nintendo Feel About the Emergence of Video Game Emulators?

The introduction of emulators created to play illegally copied Nintendo software represents the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers. As is the case with any business or industry, when its products become available for free, the revenue stream supporting that industry is threatened. Such emulators have the potential to significantly damage a worldwide entertainment software industry which generates over $15 billion annually, and tens of thousands of jobs.

What Does Nintendo Think of the Argument that Emulators are Actually Good for Nintendo Because it Promotes the Nintendo Brand to PC Users and Leads to More Sales?

Distribution of an emulator developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software hurts Nintendo's goodwill, the millions of dollars invested in research & development and marketing by Nintendo and its licensees. Substantial damages are caused to Nintendo and its licensees. It is irrelevant whether or not someone profits from the distribution of an emulator. The emulator promotes the play of illegal ROMs , NOT authentic games. Thus, not only does it not lead to more sales, it has the opposite effect and purpose.

How Come Nintendo Does Not Take Steps Towards Legitimizing Nintendo Emulators?

Emulators developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software promote piracy. That's like asking why doesn't Nintendo legitimize piracy. It doesn't make any business sense. It's that simple and not open to debate."

 

Source: https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#roms

 

And this thread should be deleted.



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That is in no way proof for the statement that over 99.9 % of all users would use illegal copies. You don't have to download Zelda from the internet to use it with cemu, you can just buy it in a store. Plus the terms of a corporation are not neccessarily conform with local laws. If my government says it's ok to use software in this and that way, I don't give a flying fuck what Nintendo says.

But anyway, that's not the point. I'm still waiting for evidence that 99.9 % or morr of emulator users do use illegal copies.



唯一無二のRolStoppableに認められた、VGCの任天堂ファミリーの正式メンバーです。光栄に思います。

OdinHades said:
That is in no way proof for the statement that over 99.9 % of all users would use illegal copies. You don't have to download Zelda from the internet to use it with cemu, you can just buy it in a store. Plus the terms of a corporation are not neccessarily conform with local laws. If my government says it's ok to use software in this and that way, I don't give a flying fuck what Nintendo says.

But anyway, that's not the point. I'm still waiting for evidence that 99.9 % or morr of emulator users do use illegal copies.

I admit, I was wrong, it's not 99,9999, it is 100% this statement makes it so:  Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet. 

 

And please, when you say: "You don't have to download Zelda from the internet to use it with cemu, you can just buy it in a store. " you are telling me that the players buy a WiiU disc, insert it on a PC and play the game? I had you in better account... like I said before, that only insults your own intelligence... ( even because, to my knowledge, CEMU cannot run directly games from discs, so you have to rip it, which is again, ILLEGAL)



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I don't know too much about cemu, I haven't ever used it. But on PCSX2, I always just pop in original PS2 games and play them that way.

But even if you have to rip a game, that is not automatically illegal. There are dozens of countries where something like that would be perfectly legal. In germany it's legal if you are not bypassing any functional security measures (although until this very day nobody knows what the heck "functional" does exactly mean in this context, lulz). In other countries, you can make up to 5 legal copies. And like I said, local law always stands above what the manufacturer says.



唯一無二のRolStoppableに認められた、VGCの任天堂ファミリーの正式メンバーです。光栄に思います。

OdinHades said:

I don't know too much about cemu, I haven't ever used it. But on PCSX2, I always just pop in original PS2 games and play them that way.

But even if you have to rip a game, that is not automatically illegal. There are dozens of countries where something like that would be perfectly legal. In germany it's legal if you are not bypassing any functional security measures (although until this very day nobody knows what the heck "functional" does exactly mean in this context, lulz). In other countries, you can make up to 5 legal copies. And like I said, local law always stands above what the manufacturer says.

Your PC cannot even read whats inside a WiiU disc, so, to rip it you have to "bypass any functional security measures" which makes it illegal anywhere in the world. Stop trying to go around the issue, theres no escape from it being illegal, at least in Nintendo's case.



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Tryklon said:
OdinHades said:

Citation needed.

Here is you citation:

"Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

How Does Nintendo Feel About the Emergence of Video Game Emulators?

The introduction of emulators created to play illegally copied Nintendo software represents the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers. As is the case with any business or industry, when its products become available for free, the revenue stream supporting that industry is threatened. Such emulators have the potential to significantly damage a worldwide entertainment software industry which generates over $15 billion annually, and tens of thousands of jobs.

What Does Nintendo Think of the Argument that Emulators are Actually Good for Nintendo Because it Promotes the Nintendo Brand to PC Users and Leads to More Sales?

Distribution of an emulator developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software hurts Nintendo's goodwill, the millions of dollars invested in research & development and marketing by Nintendo and its licensees. Substantial damages are caused to Nintendo and its licensees. It is irrelevant whether or not someone profits from the distribution of an emulator. The emulator promotes the play of illegal ROMs , NOT authentic games. Thus, not only does it not lead to more sales, it has the opposite effect and purpose.

How Come Nintendo Does Not Take Steps Towards Legitimizing Nintendo Emulators?

Emulators developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software promote piracy. That's like asking why doesn't Nintendo legitimize piracy. It doesn't make any business sense. It's that simple and not open to debate."

 

Source: https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#roms

 

And this thread should be deleted.

Emulation, even for commercial use, is not illegal in the US and Nintendo knows this. They can dissapprove as loudly as they like, that does not mean they are in the right.

While I do think emulating games within weeks and months of release possibly can have adverse effects on sales and open the door to piracy, especially if the emulator makes it possible to just dump a downloaded rom, it also has positive effects for preservation and accessibility. Without the use of emulators and language patches Earthbound for example, would never have reached the popularity it has. It, let alone earthbound beginnings would probably never have come to VC in the west either.

Giving people easy access to games more often than not makes them want to support and officially own the games they got to know and love, ultimately leading to game and merch sales that would never have happened otherwise. Yes, there will always be assholes that exploit the system, but to act like emulation only has adverse effects is simply incorrect. (And Nintendo makes a lot of assuptions and leaps in logic in the section of the FAQ that refers to this to perpetuate the narration of emulation as the enemy.)

It's certainly a double edged sword and I'm especially conflicted about getting a game like Zelda up and running so close to it's release as I feel that that definitively falls more on piracy end of the sliding scale of preservation and accessibility to piracy.



OdinHades said:

I don't know too much about cemu, I haven't ever used it. But on PCSX2, I always just pop in original PS2 games and play them that way.

But even if you have to rip a game, that is not automatically illegal. There are dozens of countries where something like that would be perfectly legal. In germany it's legal if you are not bypassing any functional security measures (although until this very day nobody knows what the heck "functional" does exactly mean in this context, lulz). In other countries, you can make up to 5 legal copies. And like I said, local law always stands above what the manufacturer says.

Did you copy the bios from your ps2 yourself? Or download it from the internet?



Tryklon said:

Like I said, I am tottaly in favor of emulation of older discontinued systems. The games should live on and be played forever.
But not emulation of newly released games and systems, this is just a glorification of piracy, and those here who defend otherwise are just insulting their own intelligence, let alone the others. 99,999999% of the emulator users DO NOT own a copy of the game!

Again, emulating abandoned systems and games is acceptable, they should live on, emulating new games is piracy and should have legal consequences! I just hope Nintendo is acting against those people.

wow, what the heck did a pirate ever do to you? Calm down. Piracy saves people a ton of money, they can play a bunch of games they couldnt otherwise afford. Cut em some slack.