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potato_hamster on 13 March 2017
RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

If you think I have a bias against Nintendo you've completely misread me. I'm  frustrated with what I feel is repeated mis-steps Nintendo has made and continues to make in the past decade or so. That doesn't mean I have a bias against Nintendo, it just means I disagree with them. I grew up playing Nintendo consoles, own many of them, and continue to play them on a regular basis. Why do you think I have a bias against Nintendo? Because they were horrible to work with when I did so, when I couldn't stand how tedious it was to develop for the Wii or Wii U? Or because the Switch, from the concept to the design, to the hardware itself, to the launch of the Switch itself, I must be biased against them. That doesn't makes sense.

Do you know I actually got a switch and Zelda at release. Sat down with it in my living room, and just couldn't justify the price I just paid to essentially just play Zelda for the next six months, so I returned it instead. I realized I refuse to get any controllers, pro controllers, or adapters because of their money-grabing pricing scheme, which means pretty much every multi-player game is out for me right now. Hopefully Nintendo will change its tune and make decisions that I'm willing to pay them for, but until then, my money will go into their competitors.

See here's the problem. I feel I get that label because I refuse to hold Nintendo to a different standard than I hold any other video game development company to. I expect them to make games and/or hardware that I am excited to play, and they haven't done that in a long time. During that time they've also made a few business decisions that has caused me to lose trust in them to a point where I don't give them the beenfit of the doubt. But, I don't want them to fail. I don't want them to necessarily exit the console business either. I just want them to either a) make hardware that I actually want to buy or b) put their games on other peoples hardware that I already want to buy. I don't care which. I feel many of the people on this site label me anti-Nintendo because I'm not as big of a Nintendo fan as them. In reality, I'm attending the Nintendo party, I'm just not throwing back the contents of cup just because Nintendo hands it to me. There's too many people  on this site that act like there's something wrong if you if you don't agree with pretty much everything Nintendo does. I'm not one of them, but that doesn't mean I'm not a Nintendo fan, and it definitely doesn't mean I'm anti-Nintendo.

Your posting history slams that label on you. When someone expresses a negative opinion about Nintendo, you are going to stick up for them, saying things like those people are free to hold such an opinion and shouldn't get attacked for it. This includes cases where negative opinions are formed on wrong or incomplete information. Conversely, you never stick up for someone who expresses a positive opinion about Nintendo, even if it is well-reasoned.

Additionally, you are quick to use a condescending tone in your arguments with Nintendo fans. There's a notable difference in how you treat people of different camps and that's the consequence of your bias against Nintendo.

You're still not really getting it. As much as I'm not happy with Nintendo's decisions as of late that pales in comparison to how completely awful Nintendo's die hard fans are to converse with. It's impossible to voice genuine complaints about anything Nintendo without someone chriping in about how "it's actually perfect, you're the problem" or "you clearly just don't understand X" or "you're just a hater" or "you've clearly never played it". Nintendo isn't a perfect company, yet many people here treat them like they can do no wrong. It wears on you to hear post after post after post full of complete espousing the virtues of everything Nintendo, and then watching those very same people jump in and completely thrash anything Sony or Microsoft does that they give Nintendo a free pass on. I read hundreds of messages from Nintendo fans about how awful Sony was for requring PS+ for online play and now when Nintendo is doing it with the Switch? Crickets. I just have no patience for it.

Prime example: I was a video game developer up until a few months ago. I have known about every console/handheld Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo has released in the past decade months before any of it was ever announced. Months before the Switch was even announced, I had my hands on a Switch dev kit, trying things out, and when I'd say things like "the NX is not going to be two seperate hardware configurations, much less four like many people are speculating" and "if it does have a dock it's not going to be doing any co-processing" because it's right in the design documentation and the hate and vitriol I'd get for saying something I knew was true was absolutely incredible. All of this nonsense like "you're wrong because Blue Ocean" and all of this other unrelenting crap for literally speaking the truth was grating to say the least. Then after the Switch was revealed, not a single one of the people that swore up and down about all the Nintendo rumors that turned out to be complete horse even had the deceny to at least admit they were wrong. They just continued to keep on shitting on me about how the dock totally has extra processing power, or how Red Dead Redemption 2 was defintely totally coming to the Switch despite me actually knowing better, and it continues to be unrelenting. The years of Nintendo fans defending every blatantly terrible anti-consumer, poorly thought out decision Nintendo continues to make as completely eroded my patience. It's like you're a part of the cult of Nintendo, or you're what's wrong with gaming, and there's no in-between. You don't see that to nearly the same degree with Sony and MS fans. Sure, every other fan base does it to some degree, but Nintendo fans are by far the worst. Like by a country mile. No contest.

Don't like how I stick up for someone who has a legit criticism of a Nintendo product? I don't care. Don't like how I don't step in to defend Nintendo often because there's 24782 other people on this site chomping at the bit to do just that? Doesn't phase me any. You're just going to have to deal with it.



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sc94597 on 13 March 2017
Pavolink said:

People believe that everyone is mad for the score, when in reality is the bad writed and misinformed review the problem. Clearly, looking for attention that he got and then acts like a victim.

 

These kind of persons don't add anything worthy.

Yes, exactly. This is why I am annoyed by Jim Sterling's review and not the Slant one. It is written in a way which suggests that all other critics have it wrong and are just too biased or afraid of Zelda fans to admit it, while he has the "right" perspective on the game, while at the same time he clearly obfuscates certain systems and facts about the game. That is what annoys me about it. 

At least the Slant magazine review is obviously ridiculous and doesn't seriously try to push their review as the "true" one. 



Cloudman on 13 March 2017

Hahaa~ totally called it. I knew he was going to bring it up as soon as the attacks on him happened.

Back to the topic, I do think Jim's points have merits, but I don't agree that some of them are as bad as he claims. Sometimes I just have issue with the way he presents his points. He over exaggerates them to the point of being somewhat comical, and speaks in a way as if he's correct and it's absolute. Sure, sometimes it may be tied to his character, or for humor, but they're the same reason why sometimes I don't fully take his opinion.

Also, I find it funny that now 7 seems to be a fine score when sometimes in the past it was seen as above average, and well, I think Zelda: BotW is more than that.



 

              

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JWeinCom on 13 March 2017
Cloudman said:
Hahaa~ totally called it. I knew he was going to bring it up as soon as the attacks on him happened.

Back to the topic, I do think Jim's points have merits, but I don't agree that some of them are as bad as he claims. Sometimes I just have issue with the way he presents his points. He over exaggerates them to the point of being somewhat comical, and speaks in a way as if he's correct and it's absolute. Sure, sometimes it may be tied to his character, or for humor, but they're the same reason why sometimes I don't fully take his opinion.

Also, I find it funny that now 7 seems to be a fine score when sometimes in the past it was seen as above average, and well, I think Zelda: BotW is more than that.

That's kind of his thing.  People are acting like getting this kind of reaction is completely unintended or that it's bad for him.  But it's really not.  He probably had this follow up piece in mind before he wrote the first one.  

With these kinds of guys (Yahtzee or AVGN) you have to take it for the entertainment value.   Once you know their style, you can glean some information that would actually be useful in deciding to purchase the game or not, but you shouldn't take it at face value.  The problem is that when he's doing reviews essentially in character (unless he's legitimately this insufferable in real life) it really shouldn't be included in metacritic.  But I doubt Nintendo's going to lose any sleep about their game having a 97 instead of a 98 rating.

potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

Your posting history slams that label on you. When someone expresses a negative opinion about Nintendo, you are going to stick up for them, saying things like those people are free to hold such an opinion and shouldn't get attacked for it. This includes cases where negative opinions are formed on wrong or incomplete information. Conversely, you never stick up for someone who expresses a positive opinion about Nintendo, even if it is well-reasoned.

Additionally, you are quick to use a condescending tone in your arguments with Nintendo fans. There's a notable difference in how you treat people of different camps and that's the consequence of your bias against Nintendo.

You're still not really getting it. As much as I'm not happy with Nintendo's decisions as of late that pales in comparison to how completely awful Nintendo's die hard fans are to converse with. It's impossible to voice genuine complaints about anything Nintendo without someone chriping in about how "it's actually perfect, you're the problem" or "you clearly just don't understand X" or "you're just a hater" or "you've clearly never played it". Nintendo isn't a perfect company, yet many people here treat them like they can do no wrong. It wears on you to hear post after post after post full of complete espousing the virtues of everything Nintendo, and then watching those very same people jump in and completely thrash anything Sony or Microsoft does that they give Nintendo a free pass on. I read hundreds of messages from Nintendo fans about how awful Sony was for requring PS+ for online play and now when Nintendo is doing it with the Switch? Crickets. I just have no patience for it.

Prime example: I was a video game developer up until a few months ago. I have known about every console/handheld Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo has released in the past decade months before any of it was ever announced. Months before the Switch was even announced, I had my hands on a Switch dev kit, trying things out, and when I'd say things like "the NX is not going to be two seperate hardware configurations, much less four like many people are speculating" and "if it does have a dock it's not going to be doing any co-processing" because it's right in the design documentation and the hate and vitriol I'd get for saying something I knew was true was absolutely incredible. All of this nonsense like "you're wrong because Blue Ocean" and all of this other unrelenting crap for literally speaking the truth was grating to say the least. Then after the Switch was revealed, not a single one of the people that swore up and down about all the Nintendo rumors that turned out to be complete horse even had the deceny to at least admit they were wrong. They just continued to keep on shitting on me about how the dock totally has extra processing power, or how Red Dead Redemption 2 was defintely totally coming to the Switch despite me actually knowing better, and it continues to be unrelenting. The years of Nintendo fans defending every blatantly terrible anti-consumer, poorly thought out decision Nintendo continues to make as completely eroded my patience. It's like you're a part of the cult of Nintendo, or you're what's wrong with gaming, and there's no in-between. You don't see that to nearly the same degree with Sony and MS fans. Sure, every other fan base does it to some degree, but Nintendo fans are by far the worst. Like by a country mile. No contest.

Don't like how I stick up for someone who has a legit criticism of a Nintendo product? I don't care. Don't like how I don't step in to defend Nintendo often because there's 24782 other people on this site chomping at the bit to do just that? Doesn't phase me any. You're just going to have to deal with it.

You (supposedly) had information that other people had no access to and no way to verify, and you're upset that they didn't believe you?  

Whether you were right or wrong, or if you're being truthful or not, they didn't yet have any reason to believe you.  



thismeintiel on 13 March 2017
JWeinCom said:
thismeintiel said:

So, EVERY person should play EVERY game before voicing an opinion about it.  Man, a lot of shit games are going to be getting great sales if people adopted your view.  Thankfully, they don't.  And in reality, neither do you.  Unless you can tell me you have NEVER said a word about a game you NEVER played.  Also, reviewers have a different standard.  They have to watch/play the thing they are reviewing.  If you didn't know, it's part of their job.  I don't have to play Zelda to agree with him.  I don't like easily broken weapons in any game, so I know I won't like them in Zelda.

And I'm not the one getting triggered here.  Especially over a good review.

"So, EVERY person should play EVERY game before voicing an opinion about it.  "

Since you like strawmen so much, I put up a picture of one for you.  Not going to waste time defending things I never said.  All I'll say is that different opinions require a different amount of evidence to be justified.

A reviewer has to play the game to have a valid opinion of it.  You do not have to play the game to validly hold that same opinion (to agree).  You'll have to explain how that works to me.  

Listen, I'm going to respond to you one last time, because this just doesn't seem to be sinking in for you.  I don't like easily broken weapons in ANY game.  Let me repeat that.  IN ANY GAME.  So, therefore, I WILL NOT LIKE THEM IN ZELDA.  Which, yes, would mean I agree with Jim.

And you are the one who brought up the ridiculous "need to play a game to have an opinion about it" standard.  One that no one uses, nor will they ever.  We would have no need for reviewers if that was the case.  Or Let's Players wouldn't be as popular as they are.  People are not dumb.  They can tell by gameplay footage, or well written review, if they are going to like or not like certain things about a game.  If the dislike becomes too much, they know they will not like the game overall.  Or maybe they'll find it average.

If people are going to get butthurt over someone not liking a game based on that criteria or over a game getting a good, but not perfect, score, then so be it.  I am not one of those people.



 

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m_csquare on 13 March 2017
sc94597 said:
m_csquare said:

Make a clearer argument please, rather than juxtaposing quotes and oneliners. If I understand correctly, your thesis is that it is wrong to prejudge somebody by their avatar/signature. Well, that isn't what I did. I judged the content of their words, their arguments, and then discovered that certain people in this thread who haven't played the game somehow think they can agree or disagree with a review of a game they have not played. Then I looked at the pattern and further discovered a trend of fan content in these people's avatars/signatures which explains why somebody would think it is justifiable to judge a game or game mechanics they have not experienced. 

If that is "scary" then certainly you haven't experienced much of the internet. I suspect that game critics have more integrity than to change their review scores because a small base of gamers (proportionally) strongly disagree with them. That is just a silly conspiracy theory pushed by people who are either 1. bitter that they would have to buy a Nintendo console to experience a great title and feel as if they are missing out, 2. are bitter because the game has outperformed their favorite game of choice critically, or 3. dislike Nintendo in general. And yes, a conspiracy theory being pushed out there because of crappy intentions can certainly be annoying. 

Yea sure. I totally believe it 👌👌

 

We shouldnt judge politicians because we're not politicians. Joycon issue is just an agenda from several reviewers, even though some of them hardcore nintendo fans.

 

Informations like reviews and lets play video are useless because you have to experience it first. Weapon durability is zelda botw invention and none has experienced the good or the bad of that aspect from other games before. It's not like you can deduct the impact of the extreme fragility and small wpn slots on constant menu hopping and inventory management without having to play it first.

 

Nope, no one whos already played the game complained abt menu hopping and weapon durability in this site.

 

Everyone that complains abt those problems in this thread are either sony fans or ppl who havent played the game

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=226761&page=1



potato_hamster on 13 March 2017
RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

You're still not really getting it. As much as I'm not happy with Nintendo's decisions as of late that pales in comparison to how completely awful Nintendo's die hard fans are to converse with. It's impossible to voice genuine complaints about anything Nintendo without someone chriping in about how "it's actually perfect, you're the problem" or "you clearly just don't understand X" or "you're just a hater" or "you've clearly never played it". Nintendo isn't a perfect company, yet many people here treat them like they can do no wrong. It wears on you to hear post after post after post full of complete espousing the virtues of everything Nintendo, and then watching those very same people jump in and completely thrash anything Sony or Microsoft does that they give Nintendo a free pass on. I read hundreds of messages from Nintendo fans about how awful Sony was for requring PS+ for online play and now when Nintendo is doing it with the Switch? Crickets. I just have no patience for it.

Prime example: I was a video game developer up until a few months ago. I have known about every console/handheld Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo has released in the past decade months before any of it was ever announced. Months before the Switch was even announced, I had my hands on a Switch dev kit, trying things out, and when I'd say things like "the NX is not going to be two seperate hardware configurations, much less four like many people are speculating" and "if it does have a dock it's not going to be doing any co-processing" because it's right in the design documentation and the hate and vitriol I'd get for saying something I knew was true was absolutely incredible. All of this nonsense like "you're wrong because Blue Ocean" and all of this other unrelenting crap for literally speaking the truth was grating to say the least. Then after the Switch was revealed, not a single one of the people that swore up and down about all the Nintendo rumors that turned out to be complete horse even had the deceny to at least admit they were wrong. They just continued to keep on shitting on me about how the dock totally has extra processing power, or how Red Dead Redemption 2 was defintely totally coming to the Switch despite me actually knowing better, and it continues to be unrelenting. The years of Nintendo fans defending every blatantly terrible anti-consumer, poorly thought out decision Nintendo continues to make as completely eroded my patience. It's like you're a part of the cult of Nintendo, or you're what's wrong with gaming, and there's no in-between. You don't see that to nearly the same degree with Sony and MS fans. Sure, every other fan base does it to some degree, but Nintendo fans are by far the worst. Like by a country mile. No contest.

Don't like how I stick up for someone who has a legit criticism of a Nintendo product? I don't care. Don't like how I don't step in to defend Nintendo often because there's 24782 other people on this site chomping at the bit to do just that? Doesn't phase me any. You're just going to have to deal with it.

Does this mean that you now admit to being biased against Nintendo or would you still deny it?

Biased against Nintendo? Never. Biased against Nintendo fans? That's a totally different story.



SvennoJ on 13 March 2017
RolStoppable said:
SvennoJ said:

When do they scale? I've completely explored the west end of the map, finished 2 dungeons, 42 shrines, 91 korok seeds found and recently descended the Gerudo mountains into Faron. The enemies there are very simple, so I'm currently fighting with a dropped dmg 4 moblin spear while saving my 24 flame spear, 54 crusher, 60 battle axe etc. I don't see any scaling.

I need to head back to the start though. My kids just showed me where you can increase your inventory after showing me the tutorial shrine for combat yesterday where the game tells you you can jump dodge for flurry rush and disarm enemies with the shield. A risk of total freedom, missing little essential details. Yet also nice to know there's still more to learn after apparently 70+ hours played. (Switch is showing play times now)

Scaling only applies to enemy camps, but the exact cause isn't clear to me yet. The most probable reason looks to be the availability of armor upgrades going by what you said.

EDIT: I still believe in the blood moon theory I posted in another thread too. Armor upgrades were missing from your list though, so I wonder how much of a role they play.
sc94597 said:

Everytime there is a bloodmoon the enemy distribution in camps gets harder. I am the point where there are mostly hardy Lizalfos and Moblins in every camp I go to. Any bokoblins that are present are the really hardy ones.

Ah, I see now. The enemy camps indeed have very tough enemies, while the ones roaming the zone are a nuisance. However the ones in the camps aren't dropping the high end stuff. Much better then the regular ones and from spawning skeletons yet no replacement for my good stuff. So I guess I need to carry 3 sets of weapons lol. Stuff still breaks on the little ones, and what they drop takes forever to take the camp ones down with. Fighting one of those lizards with a replacement dmg 9 spear was almost harder than fighting the Lynal. (I still get one hit killed, armor rating 14, 6 hearts) The weapon didn't last a single fight ofcouse, had to end it by blemishing a good one. He dropped a dmg 12 spear after all that (broke in the next fight), wth is going on.

After clearing the whole camp out for a mesely 5 bomb arrow reward I'm pretty much worse of than before taking on the camp, good bow and shield gone, replaced by crappy versions. And apparanlty the horses have durability too? I was fighting on the giant horse, running the little ones down not wasting durability on them. They shot their little arrows at my new horse, horse died..... reload. Get something nice, don't use it!

Anyway finally found a shrine again, enough of the riff raff up top.



potato_hamster on 13 March 2017
JWeinCom said:
Cloudman said:
Hahaa~ totally called it. I knew he was going to bring it up as soon as the attacks on him happened.

Back to the topic, I do think Jim's points have merits, but I don't agree that some of them are as bad as he claims. Sometimes I just have issue with the way he presents his points. He over exaggerates them to the point of being somewhat comical, and speaks in a way as if he's correct and it's absolute. Sure, sometimes it may be tied to his character, or for humor, but they're the same reason why sometimes I don't fully take his opinion.

Also, I find it funny that now 7 seems to be a fine score when sometimes in the past it was seen as above average, and well, I think Zelda: BotW is more than that.

That's kind of his thing.  People are acting like getting this kind of reaction is completely unintended or that it's bad for him.  But it's really not.  He probably had this follow up piece in mind before he wrote the first one.  

With these kinds of guys (Yahtzee or AVGN) you have to take it for the entertainment value.   Once you know their style, you can glean some information that would actually be useful in deciding to purchase the game or not, but you shouldn't take it at face value.  The problem is that when he's doing reviews essentially in character (unless he's legitimately this insufferable in real life) it really shouldn't be included in metacritic.  But I doubt Nintendo's going to lose any sleep about their game having a 97 instead of a 98 rating.

potato_hamster said:

You're still not really getting it. As much as I'm not happy with Nintendo's decisions as of late that pales in comparison to how completely awful Nintendo's die hard fans are to converse with. It's impossible to voice genuine complaints about anything Nintendo without someone chriping in about how "it's actually perfect, you're the problem" or "you clearly just don't understand X" or "you're just a hater" or "you've clearly never played it". Nintendo isn't a perfect company, yet many people here treat them like they can do no wrong. It wears on you to hear post after post after post full of complete espousing the virtues of everything Nintendo, and then watching those very same people jump in and completely thrash anything Sony or Microsoft does that they give Nintendo a free pass on. I read hundreds of messages from Nintendo fans about how awful Sony was for requring PS+ for online play and now when Nintendo is doing it with the Switch? Crickets. I just have no patience for it.

Prime example: I was a video game developer up until a few months ago. I have known about every console/handheld Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo has released in the past decade months before any of it was ever announced. Months before the Switch was even announced, I had my hands on a Switch dev kit, trying things out, and when I'd say things like "the NX is not going to be two seperate hardware configurations, much less four like many people are speculating" and "if it does have a dock it's not going to be doing any co-processing" because it's right in the design documentation and the hate and vitriol I'd get for saying something I knew was true was absolutely incredible. All of this nonsense like "you're wrong because Blue Ocean" and all of this other unrelenting crap for literally speaking the truth was grating to say the least. Then after the Switch was revealed, not a single one of the people that swore up and down about all the Nintendo rumors that turned out to be complete horse even had the deceny to at least admit they were wrong. They just continued to keep on shitting on me about how the dock totally has extra processing power, or how Red Dead Redemption 2 was defintely totally coming to the Switch despite me actually knowing better, and it continues to be unrelenting. The years of Nintendo fans defending every blatantly terrible anti-consumer, poorly thought out decision Nintendo continues to make as completely eroded my patience. It's like you're a part of the cult of Nintendo, or you're what's wrong with gaming, and there's no in-between. You don't see that to nearly the same degree with Sony and MS fans. Sure, every other fan base does it to some degree, but Nintendo fans are by far the worst. Like by a country mile. No contest.

Don't like how I stick up for someone who has a legit criticism of a Nintendo product? I don't care. Don't like how I don't step in to defend Nintendo often because there's 24782 other people on this site chomping at the bit to do just that? Doesn't phase me any. You're just going to have to deal with it.

You (supposedly) had information that other people had no access to and no way to verify, and you're upset that they didn't believe you?  

Whether you were right or wrong, or if you're being truthful or not, they didn't yet have any reason to believe you.  

I did have that information. Again, I don't care if you or anyone else believes me. I've offered the moderators plenty of opportunity to verify my status as a video game developer and they never took the opportunity. I didn't mind that they were skeptical (you should take everything you read on the internet with a degree of skepticism), I did mind the hate that I recieved though. The two are very different things.



sc94597 on 13 March 2017
m_csquare said:

Yea sure. I totally believe it 👌👌

 

We shouldnt judge politicians because we're not politicians. Joycon issue is just an agenda from several reviewers, even though some of them hardcore nintendo fans.

 

Informations like reviews and lets play video are useless because you have to experience it first. Weapon durability is zelda botw invention and none has experienced the good or the bad of that aspect from other games before. It's not like you can deduct the impact of the extreme fragility and small wpn slots on constant menu hopping and inventory management without having to play it first.

 

Nope, no one whos already played the game complained abt menu hopping and weapon durability in this site.

 

Everyone that complains abt those problems in this thread are either sony fans or ppl who havent played the game

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=226761&page=1

Way to construct a field of strawmen. I will address each one though. 

"We shouldnt judge politicians because we're not politicians."

This is a false equivalency. I never said "we shouldn't judge a game because we are not games." This is as clear a logical fallacy as one can make. 

"Joycon issue is just an agenda from several reviewers"

Strawman, this thread is about BOTW, not the Switch. Plenty of Nintendo-centric sites, like Gamexplain verified the Switch joycon issue. I haven't seen anybody deny it. 

"Informations like reviews and lets play video are useless because you have to experience it first. "

So by your logic then Jim Sterling is obviously wrong, because the majority of reviewers did not have any issue with this? What happens when reviews gives conflicting information? How do you find out who is right? Oh yeah, you actually play the game for yourself. This is clearly a case of that. 

"It's not like you can deduct the impact of the extreme fragility and small wpn slots on constant menu hopping and inventory management without having to play it first."

For the entire 50+ hour experience and in tandem with how other systems work? Of course you can't. Games play very differently from how they work in your hands. This is evident when people hype games to the moon based on their gameplay videos and then discover the game is actually really boring to play, and vice-versa. 

"Nope, no one whos already played the game complained abt menu hopping and weapon durability in this site."

And if you looked in the thread you'll find me listing the UI as a fault, and it wasn't something I have argued against. But again, make more strawmen please. The majority of people in that thread are fine with the weapon durability system, and very few of them are as critical about it as Jim Sterling or the dozens of people who "agree" with him, yet never played the game.