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vivster said:
Peh said:
What should a review be about? A reviewers opinion or what the game tries to achieve?

Someone who doesn't like certain genres in games obviously shouldn't review games in that genre.

If my approach on a certain type of game is, "I don't personally like it, but the majority does, so my rating will be lower" should stop reviewing at all.
Being objective is what counts here.

So how would people who usually don't like certain genres but are generally interested in the games get their information then? Having only glowing reviews from people who like the game anyway helps no one. We need reviews from all kinds of viewpoints.

People like me have trouble finding any accurate reviews because most reviewers don't put the weight on the things that I'm interested in. And then people like you come along requesting that even less people should review games.

I am not saying less people should review games.

What I mean is, a reviewer who is not that good at/ doesn't like a certain type of game like Dark Souls and reviews it. This game is clearly not the game for him and because of that, he gives it a lower score for not being able to progress far in it. This is followed by people who use this review for justifying that it sucks because of difficulty. A review like that is crap and it helps no one.

An honest and objective reviewer will tackle both sides, good and bad. And will try to elaborate the core concept and come to a reasoning conclusion about the game itself.

Taking the approach like Jim Sterling and saying, "Oh, the game got Ubisoft Towers = bad game design", then that's all I need to see what a biased and bad review is. And objective reviewer would approach this design element in relation to the game and its purpose and elaborate it. What Jim did in this case is a baseless statement.

Why should I listen to a reviewer who's biased, at all?

I mean, first, I want to see the reasons which are speaking for the game and against it. Can the reviewer reflect my opinion and questions I have for the game? What kind of game mechanics do I value the most and are they there? If not, then it clearly isn't my type of game and I move on.

But, going back to Jim, his focus, from what I perceive, was mainly due to durability of weapons breaking too fast. Welp, if he would play more of the game, than he would clearly know that certain weapons will have certain type of abilities like a way higher durability. Like I said in the other thread. My inventory is full of good weapons because they don't easily break anymore. But Jim clearly didn't went so far and thus he doesn't even mentioned that fact.



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Peh said:
vivster said:

So how would people who usually don't like certain genres but are generally interested in the games get their information then? Having only glowing reviews from people who like the game anyway helps no one. We need reviews from all kinds of viewpoints.

People like me have trouble finding any accurate reviews because most reviewers don't put the weight on the things that I'm interested in. And then people like you come along requesting that even less people should review games.

I am not saying less people should review games.

What I mean is, a reviewer who is not that good at/ doesn't like a certain type of game like Dark Souls and reviews it. This game is clearly not the game for him and because of that, he gives it a lower score for not being able to progress far in it. This is followed by people who use this review for justifying that it sucks because of difficulty. A review like that is crap and it helps no one.

An honest and objective reviewer will tackle both sides, good and bad. And will try to elaborate the core concept and come to a reasoning conclusion about the game itself.

Taking the approach like Jim Sterling and saying, "Oh, the game got Ubisoft Towers = bad game design", then that's all I need to see what a biased and bad review is. And objective reviewer would approach this design element in relation to the game and its purpose and elaborate it. What Jim did in this case is a baseless statement.

Why should I listen to a reviewer who's biased, at all?

I mean, first, I want to see the reasons which are speaking for the game and against it. Can the reviewer reflect my opinion and questions I have for the game? What kind of game mechanics do I value the most and are they there? If not, then it clearly isn't my type of game and I move on.

But, going back to Jim, his focus, from what I perceive, was mainly due to durability of weapons breaking too fast. Welp, if he would play more of the game, than he would clearly know that certain weapons will have certain type of abilities like a way higher durability. Like I said in the other thread. My inventory is full of good weapons because they don't easily break anymore. But Jim clearly didn't went so far and thus he doesn't even mentioned that fact.

You ended your argument in your first paragraph.

If the reviewer that is bad at the game comes to the conclusion that it's too hard for some people that's perfectly fine. As you can see people then use this review to decide for themselves that the game might be to hard for them and don't buy it. That is the exact purpose of a review.

The problem is that people think that the score under a review has any meaning beyond that specific review. reviews aren't meant to be aggregated. Reviews are written by a single person and are exactly for the people who trust the reviewer because said reviewer has similar tastes. So it is perfectly fine for any reviewer to give the game any score because that is what the readers want to know. How a certain reviewer liked a certain game.

The problems begin when certain people only go by aggregate score and go after reviewers for lowering their precious number even though that single reviewer has absolutely no impact on other reviews. Reviews are made to educate consumers and the score at the end is the least important part.

Also your comments about how biased Jim is show that you have no idea who he is. Also apparently you didn't read the review because he specifically mentions that later game weapons break less. He mentions it again the Jimquisition on the topic. So that's a big fat lie on your part. he also said that weapon durability is never a good mechanic which is a valid opinion. So that later weapons are more durable doesn't really matter.

But let's roll with it for a moment. Let's say a heavily biased reviewer reviews a game and gives it a terrible score. The people following this person have most likely the same mindset. Now the people know that it's not worth their time and move on. Unless the review is full of lies there is no harm saying how fun a game is based on your own biases.

A good review is  determined by the pros and cons the reviewer can give and not by the score at the end. Jim did say nothing false in his review and rated the game as "good" and said that he liked it. I really don't see the problem here.



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vivster said:

 If the reviewer that is bad at the game comes to the conclusion that it's too hard for some people that's perfectly fine. As you can see people then use this review to decide for themselves that the game might be to hard for them and don't buy it. That is the exact purpose of a review.

That's good so far. I havn't said otherwise.

vivster said:

The problem is that people think that the score under a review has any meaning beyond that specific review. reviews aren't meant to be aggregated. Reviews are written by a single person and are exactly for the people who trust the reviewer because said reviewer has similar tastes. So it is perfectly fine for any reviewer to give the game any score because that is what the readers want to know. How a certain reviewer liked a certain game.

Well, it gets a meaning when it is being used as a comparision towards other reviews on the same product.
Also, you think its OK for me doing a review on DOTA 2 which I don't like at all, and rate it a 4/10 just for the sake of it? According to your reply, you do, because the score is just for that specific review and has no meaning beyond that. But, would it count as a troll review? Clickbait? How would you know if not for making a comparision?

vivster said:

The problems begin when certain people only go by aggregate score and go after reviewers for lowering their precious number even though that single reviewer has absolutely no impact on other reviews. Reviews are made to educate consumers and the score at the end is the least important part.

Obviously at first site. But then you also agree with troll reviews at 0/10, because as you said, its specific to their review and shouldn't have any meaning beyond that. It's also for those who have a similar taste and those people would agree with these low score. It's just the same mindset as you've said.

What you are arguing about is that every review is it's own thing, which I agree with. But are those reviews and specific scores also justified? How do you discern biased, trolls and clickbait reviews from objective and unbiased reviews? I do by making comparision with other reviews by not knowing the product itself. And that's where your argument about meaning beyond the specific review doesn't hold.

9 out of 10 people say that chocolate bar taste like chocolate and 1 out of 10 says it tastes like shit. Who do I trust and why? How did he came to this conclusion? Is it reasonable for me? Or are the 9 out 10 people lying. Sadly, there is no correct answer to this until you try the product out yourself. But common sense would go with the majority.

vivster said:

Also your comments about how biased Jim is show that you have no idea who he is. Also apparently you didn't read the review because he specifically mentions that later game weapons break less. He mentions it again the Jimquisition on the topic. So that's a big fat lie on your part. he also said that weapon durability is never a good mechanic which is a valid opinion. So that later weapons are more durable doesn't really matter.

Actually yes, he did mentions it, but I guess it fell under my radar of all the ranting inbetween and not showing it in the video of his. I also cannot access his whole review because that site is down. Obviously he doesn't like the mechanic. I do, and this gives purpose to every single weapon in the game.

vivster said:

But let's roll with it for a moment. Let's say a heavily biased reviewer reviews a game and gives it a terrible score. The people following this person have most likely the same mindset. Now the people know that it's not worth their time and move on. Unless the review is full of lies there is no harm saying how fun a game is based on your own biases.

A good review is  determined by the pros and cons the reviewer can give and not by the score at the end. Jim did say nothing false in his review and rated the game as "good" and said that he liked it. I really don't see the problem here.

That's the point.

Also, how do you know that he said nothing false without playing the game at all? You see, some people take it just for granted, because they simply trust the reviewer on this. But here we got the 9/10 reviewers have no real issue with it and one does. 

Oh and .. what about "Oh, the game got Ubisoft Towers = bad game design". Is this a fair statement? I cannot cite the correct sentence, because I cannot access the review, but it was something like, "It got Ubisoft towers by the way" at the end of his review.



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