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CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

No, Sony first party was much better last gen. PS4 is three years into their life cycle, but ps3 had way more first party in it's first three year (published) games. 2 Resistance games, 2 Uncharted games, GOW 3, Warhawk, 2 Ratchet and clank games, GT5, Demon Souls, Infamous, Heavenly Sword,KIllzone 2(way better than Killzone sf),LBP (better than LBP 3 imo),motor storm series and more.  I do agree PS4 will have higher sales than PS3 overall however.

Compared (Only owned IPs)...

PS3

Nov 2006-Mar 2010 - Resistance 1 & 2, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank (2 Games), Warhawk, Fat Princess, FlOw & Flower, Uncharted 1 & 2, Demon's Souls, Motorstoms 1 & 2, inFAMOUS, Killzone 2, God of War III , Heavy Rain.

PS4

Nov 2013-Mar 2017 - Second Son, Uncharted 4, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Ratchet & Clank, LittleBIGPlanet 3, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2.

And that's just off the top of my head, too. Maybe a few off here and there, but... regardless of how you judge the games, the level of output has been fairly even between the two generations.

Knack,Drive club, The Order and killzone are average games at best that can't compare to any of the ps3 games listed above in general reviews.It's like me stating Lair or perhaps folk lore for ps3 (sure there is more to list). First light is a dlc and I am sure a lot of ps3 games had dlc too so no that doesn't count. If we are counting indie games, we can count a lot more psn games like that one ratchet and clank indie game for ps3. Also, I forgot about Heavy Rain too for ps3.



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CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Knack,Drive club, The Order and killzone are average games at best that can't compare to any of the ps3 games listed above in general reviews.It's like me stating Lair or perhaps folk lore for ps3 (sure there is more to list). First light is a dlc and I am sure a lot of ps3 games had dlc too so no that doesn't count. If we are counting indie games, we can count a lot more psn games like that one ratchet and clank indie game for ps3. Also, I forgot about Heavy Rain too for ps3.

As I noted, we're talking about output, not how each of those games is individually judged. Based on owned output, the systems are fairly even up to this point. And, Heavy Rain isn't a Sony owned IP, so I didn't include it.

Next, as I also noted, First Light is a standalone game, not simply DLC. But, even if we remove it, the systems are neck-and-neck, negating what you said.

I'm obviously taking about quality. Sony has a lot of ps3 games that I left out because it's better not to be shown (lair, folklore and eye of judgement,ect). You know quality over quanity. And dying light is still DLC to a game that many ps3 games has.  If I showed every ps3 games from 2006 to 2010 it will be way more especially since you are counting indies and dlc.



Snoopy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Have all of those studios gone on to be superior than they were before Sony purchased them? Now let's talk about rare.

A lot of Sony studios ended up biting the dust or doing terribly (media molecule comes to mind). Also, rare did Microsoft very well for those kinect games. They were to be commended for making the kinect the success it was on the 360. Thats why they are around because they do what Microsoft tells them. Also, I have some friends playing sea of theives and they are telling me it is a fun game. They can't give out too much details due to NDA.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? It seems a bit early to be passing that kind of judgement on MM. Dream has had a slow development, but it's understandable given how ambitious its goals are for what is ultimately a very small studio, and that a portion of the studio spent a while with Tearaway. 



Zekkyou said:
Snoopy said:

A lot of Sony studios ended up biting the dust or doing terribly (media molecule comes to mind). Also, rare did Microsoft very well for those kinect games. They were to be commended for making the kinect the success it was on the 360. Thats why they are around because they do what Microsoft tells them. Also, I have some friends playing sea of theives and they are telling me it is a fun game. They can't give out too much details due to NDA.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? It seems a bit early to be passing that kind of judgement on MM. Dream has had a slow development, but it's understandable given how ambitious its goals are for what is ultimately a very small studio, and that a portion of the studio spent a while with Tearaway. 

Dreams seems to be a game that isn't going to do very well financially and we haven't heard or seen anything from it yet for a while. Sony is shutting down a lot of UK studios, kind of like Microsoft did with Lionhead. Their laws and taxes are very anti business and games have to sell well or they can't be continue. That is the world we live in. Trust me, I would love certain games to be made still like the Resistance series.



CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

I'm obviously taking about quality. Sony has a lot of ps3 games that I left out because it's better not to be shown (lair, folklore and eye of judgement,ect). You know quality over quanity. And dying light is still DLC to a game that many ps3 games has.

The battle over what First Light is miniscule to the point. Quality is subjective. What you make dislike, others like. That doesn't change that Sony has been pretty consistent with the output of titles that they have released to this point gen over gen - which directly contradicts what you said here:

"No, Sony first party was much better last gen. PS4 is three years into their life cycle, but ps3 had way more first party in it's first three year (published) games".

But the ps3 did have more titles than ps4 first 3 years if we count indies and such too regarding sony owned ips. I mean the list you given there was a clear advantage in quanity and quality for ps3 and you didn't even list half the games on the ps3 like eye of judgement, star dust, lair, folk lore,ect. I was still referring to quality when me and you were talking to each other because generally, those ps3 games were reviewed way better than the ps4 games all around.



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CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

But the ps3 did have more titles than ps4 first 3 years if we count indies and such too regarding sony owned ips. I mean the list you given there was a clear advantage in quanity and quality for ps3 and you didn't even list half the games on the ps3 like eye of judgement, star dust, lair, folk lore,ect. I was still referring to quality when me and you were talking to each other because generally, those ps3 games were reviewed way better than the ps4 games all around.

I didn't list plenty of games for both systems. 

Yet with the ps4 being out this gen and in your recent memory you still couldn't match the ps3 in terms of quantity or quality. That right there is very telling. This is because Sony realizes this generation exclusives hold very little weight compare to third party games. Thats why at the end of the year Sony will only have GT Sport with only 150 cars... and a bunch of third party marketing deal from what we see right now. Which honestly is the most strategic move to make because marketing is cheaper and helps a system out more than exclusives. Yoshida even said only four out of ten exclusive games make a profit http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/. 



Snoopy said:
CGI-Quality said:

As I noted, we're talking about output, not how each of those games is individually judged. Based on owned output, the systems are fairly even up to this point. And, Heavy Rain isn't a Sony owned IP, so I didn't include it.

Next, as I also noted, First Light is a standalone game, not simply DLC. But, even if we remove it, the systems are neck-and-neck, negating what you said.

I'm obviously taking about quality. Sony has a lot of ps3 games that I left out because it's better not to be shown (lair, folklore and eye of judgement,ect). You know quality over quanity. And dying light is still DLC to a game that many ps3 games has.

If you're focused on quality (which i assume you measure through critical reception), shouldn't you be including MS in your argument? I do personally agree that Sony's output this generation has been worse (though the PS4 in general has been an improvement for me), but i feel that's doubly true for MS. They seem to be really struggling to push out major releases capable of garnering anything close to the kind of positive reception they were seeing last gen. Forza is the only major exception, with their best received titles outside of that being Gears 4 and Halo 5 (both sitting at 84).

Snoopy said:

Dreams seems to be a game that isn't going to do very well financially and we haven't heard or seen anything from it yet for a while. Sony is shutting down a lot of UK studios, kind of like Microsoft did with Lionhead. Their laws and taxes are very anti business and games have to sell well or they can't be continue. That is the world we live in. Trust me, I would love certain games to be made still like the Resistance series.

It's certainly possible you'll end up being right, but it seems as bit excessive to come to condemn them on the basis of speculation. 



CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

Yet with the ps4 being out this gen and in your recent memory you still couldn't match the ps3 in terms of quantity or quality. That right there is very telling. This is because Sony realizes this generation exclusives hold very little weight compare to third party games. Thats why at the end of the year Sony will only have GT Sport with only 150 cars... and a bunch of third party marketing deal from what we see right now. Which honestly is the most strategic move to make because marketing is cheaper and helps a system out more than exclusives. Yoshida even said only four out of ten exclusive games make a profit http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/. 

The level of quality is subjective between the two machines (and whatever Shu said about profits), no matter what mountain you choose to continue to scream from, remains subjective.

Just understand that you said something in absolute (though you're now changing the criteria) and I was able to show otherwise.

Not necessarily, you can argue video game reviews or fan receptions. I and most people (review wise) found the games I listed on ps3 better than games on ps4, but I agree stalmate for now just so we don't kill each other or you banning me.



Zekkyou said:
Snoopy said:

I'm obviously taking about quality. Sony has a lot of ps3 games that I left out because it's better not to be shown (lair, folklore and eye of judgement,ect). You know quality over quanity. And dying light is still DLC to a game that many ps3 games has.

If you're focused on quality (which i assume you measure through critical reception), shouldn't you be including MS in your argument? I do personally agree that Sony's output this generation has been worse (though the PS4 in general has been an improvement for me), but i feel that's doubly true for MS. They seem to be really struggling to push out major releases capable of garnering anything close to the kind of positive reception they were seeing last gen. Forza is the only major exception, with their best received titles outside of that being Gears 4 and Halo 5 (both sitting at 84).

Snoopy said:

Dreams seems to be a game that isn't going to do very well financially and we haven't heard or seen anything from it yet for a while. Sony is shutting down a lot of UK studios, kind of like Microsoft did with Lionhead. Their laws and taxes are very anti business and games have to sell well or they can't be continue. That is the world we live in. Trust me, I would love certain games to be made still like the Resistance series.

It's certainly possible you'll end up being right, but it seems as bit excessive to come to condemn them on the basis of speculation. 

1. I was focus on both quality and quantity.

2. Microsoft output has been about the same compare to previous generation. Yes, Halo, Gears , Forza is being used quite a bit. During the 360 generation Microsoft only seemed better because of the third party titles they got first , but they weren't too much better in terms of first party. I just wish we got a Fable game finally. Microsoft has supported a lot of games that are exclusives/console exclusives that they don't own but aren't on Sony platform. However, Xbox one to me has always been about the best place to play my multi platform games (the games I spend 95% of my time) for console such as my favorite online network, my favorite controller, features/UI,ect and now with scorpio the games should run and play significantly better than any console. Plus I like online games a lot and Microsoft/EA offers me the best multiplayer games imo (I'm addicted to Halo Wars 2 right now).



Snoopy said:
Zekkyou said:

If you're focused on quality (which i assume you measure through critical reception), shouldn't you be including MS in your argument? I do personally agree that Sony's output this generation has been worse (though the PS4 in general has been an improvement for me), but i feel that's doubly true for MS. They seem to be really struggling to push out major releases capable of garnering anything close to the kind of positive reception they were seeing last gen. Forza is the only major exception, with their best received titles outside of that being Gears 4 and Halo 5 (both sitting at 84).

It's certainly possible you'll end up being right, but it seems as bit excessive to come to condemn them on the basis of speculation. 

1. I was focus on both quality and quantity.

2. Microsoft output has been about the same compare to previous generation. Yes, Halo, Gears , Forza is being used quite a bit. During the 360 generation Microsoft only seemed better because of the third party titles they got first , but they weren't too much better in terms of first party. I just wish we got a Fable game finally. Microsoft has supported a lot of games that are exclusives/console exclusives that they don't own but aren't on Sony platform. However, Xbox one to me has always been about the best place to play my multi platform games (the games I spend 95% of my time) for console such as my favorite online network, my favorite controller, features/UI,ect and now with scorpio the games should run and play significantly better than any console. Plus I like online games a lot and Microsoft/EA offers me the best multiplayer games imo (I'm addicted to Halo Wars 2 right now).

The overall number of titles they've been publishing (your qualifier from an earlier discussion) has been comparable, but the reception of those titles has been considerably less positive. MS had published 5 90+ titles by this point last gen, and many more 80+. If you want to follow a different definition to earlier and remove various 360 titles from the comparison then fine, but all that does is shift the discussion from "MS have seen a dip in quality" to "MS have always under-performed". Neither is particularly positive for MS.

As i said, i do agree Sony have under-performed on the publishing front compared to last gen, but MS fit quite snugly in the same box.