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VGPolyglot on 23 February 2017
ArnoldRimmer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Do you realize how many transsexuals attempt to commit suicide? It's about 41%:

Yeah, and the one and only reason they all commit suicide is because they cannot freely choose the toilet. Their high suicide rate doesn't have anything at all to do with the fact that transgender is a kind of mental disorder.

 

Anyway, since I'm not from the US, I'm wondering: Toilets are far from being the only area where we still have gender segregation, so there are much more areas where transgender people will face conflicts. How did Obama solve the following issues:

- changing rooms, for example in public swimming pools or gyms. Can I go into the ladies changing room and showers in case I feel kind of female today? Where do transgenders go to in such situations, are they free to choose?

- gender segregation in sports. Can transgender people choose which gender they play for? Will the german female soccer team soon consist of 11 people who were born men, but somehow feel trapped in a man's body whenever the female soccer world cup approaches?

- women's parking spaces etc. Now available for whoever currently identifies as female?

No, it's not the only reason,but it's a reflection on society's views and treatment of transsexuals. And in regards to gender segregation,I'd be all for eliminating it, but the problem is that there is a lot that we'd have to address first, like rape culture and so forth.



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TallSilhouette on 23 February 2017

We really need to stop overcomplicating this issue and just move to make all bathrooms unisex.



MarkkyStorm on 23 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
method114 said:

Bathroom laws aren't going to help suicide rates. Discrimination is t the cause of this. When blacks faced much harder discrimination they weren't killing themselves at this rate.

Discrimination makes it much worse. If they were more accepted, is it not logical that they would be less willing to kill themselves?

Of course discrimination makes it worse. But using a bathroom or another is not discrimination. Don't overestimate a simple thing as that. Let trans people use whatever bathroom they like won't save lifes. Also, don't oversimplificate the suicide question, people usually commit suicide for questions related to what THEY think of themselves, not what others think.



VGPolyglot on 23 February 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

OK then, so where would they put the tetiary bathrooms? They'd have to redesign the entire school.

Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of schools were originally built with only mens bathrooms anyways since they didn't admit women, so it wouldn't be the first time they had to add an extra bathroom...

Of course you don't need it in the same place though, and every school I've known has had multiple bathrooms in various different places anyways so you could just convert one of the existing ones rather than adding a whole new one.

And you think that the governments are going to be willing to spend that much money on bathrooms for transgenders? They're not going to build bathrooms for transgenders.



VGPolyglot on 23 February 2017
MarkkyStorm said:
VGPolyglot said:

Discrimination makes it much worse. If they were more accepted, is it not logical that they would be less willing to kill themselves?

Of course discrimination makes it worse. But using a bathroom or another is not discrimination. Don't overestimate a simple thing as that. Let trans people use whatever bathroom they like won't save lifes. Also, don't oversimplificate the suicide question, people usually commit suicide for questions related to what THEY think of themselves, not what others think.

OK, so your argument is that they're going to kill themselves anyway, so we might as well force them to use a bathroom that they're not comfortable in?



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MarkkyStorm on 23 February 2017
TallSilhouette said:

We really need to stop overcomplicating this issue and just move to make all bathrooms unisex.

Of course, using the bathroom with other people around isn't embarassing enough. Make everybody go together. You guys watched too many Buñuel movies.

Ka-pi96 said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Yeah, and the one and only reason they all commit suicide is because they cannot freely choose the toilet. Their high suicide rate doesn't have anything at all to do with the fact that transgender is a kind of mental disorder.

 

Anyway, since I'm not from the US, I'm wondering: Toilets are far from being the only area where we still have gender segregation, so there are much more areas where transgender people will face conflicts. How did Obama solve the following issues:

- changing rooms, for example in public swimming pools or gyms. Can I go into the ladies changing room and showers in case I feel kind of female today? Where do transgenders go to in such situations, are they free to choose?

- gender segregation in sports. Can transgender people choose which gender they play for? Will the german female soccer team soon consist of 11 people who were born men, but somehow feel trapped in a man's body whenever the female soccer world cup approaches?

- women's parking spaces etc. Now available for whoever currently identifies as female?

WTF? Is that actually a thing? Why do women get their own special parking spaces that men can't use? The only logical reason I could think of is if the women were pregnant, but then shouldn't disabled/handicapped people (including men) have the same right to use them too?

In Brazil, there's parking spaces for pregnants, disabled/handicapped people and elders. Also, there's prioritary seats for obese, pregnant, elders and disabled people.



VGPolyglot on 23 February 2017
MarkkyStorm said:
TallSilhouette said:

We really need to stop overcomplicating this issue and just move to make all bathrooms unisex.

Of course, using the bathroom with other people around isn't embarassing enough. Make everybody go together. You guys watched too many Buñuel movies.

Ka-pi96 said:

WTF? Is that actually a thing? Why do women get their own special parking spaces that men can't use? The only logical reason I could think of is if the women were pregnant, but then shouldn't disabled/handicapped people (including men) have the same right to use them too?

In Brazil, there's parking spaces for pregnants, disabled/handicapped people and elders. Also, there's prioritary seats for obese, pregnant, elders and disabled people.

Yes, we have parking spaces and bus seats for diabled people here too.



MarkkyStorm on 23 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
MarkkyStorm said:

Of course discrimination makes it worse. But using a bathroom or another is not discrimination. Don't overestimate a simple thing as that. Let trans people use whatever bathroom they like won't save lifes. Also, don't oversimplificate the suicide question, people usually commit suicide for questions related to what THEY think of themselves, not what others think.

OK, so your argument is that they're going to kill themselves anyway, so we might as well force them to use a bathroom that they're not comfortable in?

No, for Christ's sake. We need to take care of this people and find ways to be supportive, so we can stop this trend of suicide. And not just suicide. At least down here, a great number of trans people involve themselves with drugs and prostitution. That's a real concern. But make people embarassed with them in the same bathroom won't help with discrimination. Make it even worse.  Maybe a transgender bathroom is a good way to go, just maybe. But before anything else, we have to make sure this people feel good with thelselves in a point where they don't feel bad about a bathroom.



ArnoldRimmer on 23 February 2017
Ka-pi96 said:

- women's parking spaces etc. Now available for whoever currently identifies as female?

WTF? Is that actually a thing? Why do women get their own special parking spaces that men can't use? The only logical reason I could think of is if the women were pregnant, but then shouldn't disabled/handicapped people (including men) have the same right to use them too?

I believe the prevailing logic behind women's parking spaces is their fear of being raped. Woman's parking spaces are usually in parking garages, located very close to the exit, so the women have to walk only the shortest possible distance which helps those of them who have (maybe irrational) fears of getting raped there.

You know, here in germany, we actually have "feminist wine" - where the bottles and even grapes are guaranteed to never have been touched by men. No kidding!



Vyse_Blue_Rogue on 23 February 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Yeah, and the one and only reason they all commit suicide is because they cannot freely choose the toilet. Their high suicide rate doesn't have anything at all to do with the fact that transgender is a kind of mental disorder.

 

Anyway, since I'm not from the US, I'm wondering: Toilets are far from being the only area where we still have gender segregation, so there are much more areas where transgender people will face conflicts. How did Obama solve the following issues:

- changing rooms, for example in public swimming pools or gyms. Can I go into the ladies changing room and showers in case I feel kind of female today? Where do transgenders go to in such situations, are they free to choose?

- gender segregation in sports. Can transgender people choose which gender they play for? Will the german female soccer team soon consist of 11 people who were born men, but somehow feel trapped in a man's body whenever the female soccer world cup approaches?

- women's parking spaces etc. Now available for whoever currently identifies as female?

WTF? Is that actually a thing? Why do women get their own special parking spaces that men can't use? The only logical reason I could think of is if the women were pregnant, but then shouldn't disabled/handicapped people (including men) have the same right to use them too?

Yes, the spaces are larger to accomodate the fact that women are terrible parkers. It's done mainly to protect men's cars from being hit by awful women drivers.