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VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that "it doesn't matter".

It does matter (with regards to criminal behaviour) whether a person was born here, but only to a certain degree.

Ethnicity has a strong correlation with criminal behaviour. Deal with it.

See, it's not mainly about assimilation to you. It's about race. And where's your proof that it's race is causation to criminal behaviour, and not socio-economic factors?

Fuck race. I'm not talking about race.

I'm talking about ethnicity. Look it up in a lexicon and understand the term, then come back and discuss. And stop creating straw mans by putting words in my mouth.



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Slimebeast said:
Peh said:

Your whole post is racistic and insulting. The context of your debate is about the crime rate. You say that crime is also inheritable to the offsprings by the post of yours in said context. You made a claim, without providing the evidence for it. Yet, again.  

It's elementary knowledge. All kinds of behaviour is partly inheritable from our parents if we have been brought up by them, at least on the group level statistically.

And when it comes to criminal behaviour specifically, this has been firmly demonstrated.

You're being upset by elementary facts of life for no good reason, and using labels based on your emotional perspective on the world.

"Just like it's done in research and in official statistics all over the world."

All you have to do is backup your claim. Why is it so difficult for you? It's to be safe that your claims are actually supported and not just nonsensical.

When I follow your logical then I can safely assume that YOUR offsprings will be just as racistic as you are. Is that correct?

How does integration work then? How do compromisses are possible at all? Why are people leaving the culture of their parents? Things like that shouldn't be possible according to you.



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Slimebeast said:
VGPolyglot said:

Because you're frequently making reference to Swedish immigrants and how it doesn't matter whether they were born here, it matters what their ethnicity is because that determines whether they're Swedish or not, and you were saying that people that are from Sweden but are a racial minority are more dangerous than ethnic Swedes, so it's not just assimilation to you, you put a huge importance on race.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that "it doesn't matter".

It does matter (with regards to criminal behaviour) whether a person was born here, but only to a certain degree.

Ethnicity has a strong correlation with criminal behaviour. Deal with it.

It's more that there's a correlation between the culture a foreigner originates from and criminality. If you look at the 1996 and 2005 reports from Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), only certain types of immigrants are overrepresented (e.g. those from the MENA region). Immigrants from other regions such as East Asia are underrepresented. So, it's not much to do with ethnicity, but the cultural background.



Slimebeast said:
VGPolyglot said:

See, it's not mainly about assimilation to you. It's about race. And where's your proof that it's race is causation to criminal behaviour, and not socio-economic factors?

Fuck race. I'm not talking about race.

I'm talking about ethnicity. Look it up in a lexicon and understand the term, then come back and discuss. And stop creating straw mans by putting words in my mouth.

Well, here's what I found in regards to ethnicity: Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language.

OK, so many Swedes born from immigrants have Swedish nationality, can speak Swedish, and are familiar with the culture of Sweden. So it cannot be those thigns that you are talking. So you must be talking about things like their ancestry (in other words, their race).



Aura7541 said:
Slimebeast said:

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that "it doesn't matter".

It does matter (with regards to criminal behaviour) whether a person was born here, but only to a certain degree.

Ethnicity has a strong correlation with criminal behaviour. Deal with it.

It's more that there's a correlation between the culture a foreigner originates from and criminality. If you look at the 1996 and 2005 reports from Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), only certain types of immigrants are overrepresented (e.g. those from the MENA region). Immigrants from other regions such as East Asia are underrepresented. So, it's not much to do with ethnicity, but the cultural background.

Of course, but cultural background is included in the term "ethnicity".



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Slimebeast said:
Aura7541 said:

It's more that there's a correlation between the culture a foreigner originates from and criminality. If you look at the 1996 and 2005 reports from Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), only certain types of immigrants are overrepresented (e.g. those from the MENA region). Immigrants from other regions such as East Asia are underrepresented. So, it's not much to do with ethnicity, but the cultural background.

Of course, but cultural background is included in the term "ethnicity".

So, that's make it ok to use the word ethnicity instead of cultural?

Definition ethnicity:

"an ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like: "

So, better to be sure and blame all of the features instead of just the culture.



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Slimebeast said:
Aura7541 said:

It's more that there's a correlation between the culture a foreigner originates from and criminality. If you look at the 1996 and 2005 reports from Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), only certain types of immigrants are overrepresented (e.g. those from the MENA region). Immigrants from other regions such as East Asia are underrepresented. So, it's not much to do with ethnicity, but the cultural background.

Of course, but cultural background is included in the term "ethnicity".

Right, but ethnicity is a general term since it contains multiple attributes. Cultural background is still a bit general, but it does narrow things down to specific variables such as laws and customs.



Peh said:
Slimebeast said:

It's elementary knowledge. All kinds of behaviour is partly inheritable from our parents if we have been brought up by them, at least on the group level statistically.

And when it comes to criminal behaviour specifically, this has been firmly demonstrated.

You're being upset by elementary facts of life for no good reason, and using labels based on your emotional perspective on the world.

"Just like it's done in research and in official statistics all over the world."

All you have to do is backup your claim. Why is it so difficult for you? It's to be safe that your claims are actually supported and not just nonsensical.

When I follow your logical then I can safely assume that YOUR offsprings will be just as racistic as you are. Is that correct?

How does integration work then? How do compromisses are possible at all? Why are people leaving the culture of their parents? Things like that shouldn't be possible according to you.

"Just like it's done in research and in official statistics all over the world." was in reference to VGPolyglot questioning whether it's relevant to compare crime commited by the offspring of immigrants with crime commited by ethnic Swedes.

This official Swedish government report does just that:

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/

"Criminal acitivity of immigrants and their children"



Slimebeast said:
Peh said:

"Just like it's done in research and in official statistics all over the world."

All you have to do is backup your claim. Why is it so difficult for you? It's to be safe that your claims are actually supported and not just nonsensical.

When I follow your logical then I can safely assume that YOUR offsprings will be just as racistic as you are. Is that correct?

How does integration work then? How do compromisses are possible at all? Why are people leaving the culture of their parents? Things like that shouldn't be possible according to you.

"Just like it's done in research and in official statistics all over the world." was in reference to VGPolyglot questioning whether it's relevant to compare crime commited by the offspring of immigrants with crime commited by ethnic Swedes.

This official Swedish government report does just that:

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/

"Criminal acitivity of immigrants and their children"

I may be called VGPolyglot, but I don't know Swedish, so I can't really read that.



VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:

Fuck race. I'm not talking about race.

I'm talking about ethnicity. Look it up in a lexicon and understand the term, then come back and discuss. And stop creating straw mans by putting words in my mouth.

Well, here's what I found in regards to ethnicity: Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language.

OK, so many Swedes born from immigrants have Swedish nationality, can speak Swedish, and are familiar with the culture of Sweden. So it cannot be those thigns that you are talking. So you must be talking about things like their ancestry (in other words, their race).

Just look up on the definition in Wikipedia:

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities, such as common ancestral, language, social, cultural or national experiences.[1][2] Unlike other social groups (wealth, age, hobbies), ethnicity is often an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. In some cases, it can be adopted if a person moves into another society. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool. By way of language shift, acculturation, adoption and religious conversion, it is sometimes possible for individuals or groups to leave one ethnic group and become part of another (except for ethnic groups emphasizing racial purity as a key membership criterion).

Ethnicity is often used synonymously with ambiguous terms such as nation or people. In English, it can also have the connotation of something exotic (cf. "White ethnic", "ethnic restaurant", etc.), generally related to cultures of more recent immigrants, who arrived after the founding population of an area was established.

Depending on which source of group identity is emphasized to define membership, the following types of (often mutually overlapping) groups can be identified:

In many cases – for instance, the sense of Jewish peoplehood – more than one aspect determines membership.

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You really don't believe this affects criminal behaviour?

And just no. Race is only a small part of the wide concept of ethnicity.

I use the term ethnicity on this subject, because it includes culture and foreign origin, and not just purely socio-economic factors or citizenship.

How can this be so hard to understand?