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VGPolyglot on 14 February 2017
Aura7541 said:
VGPolyglot said:

But he made Heil Hitler jokes before, so I'm not linking them arbitrarily. And how are white people being discriminated against? I can almost guarantee that it is composed of isolated issues rather than something systemic. Jon's father is Iranian, maybe instead of praising Trump he should call him out for trying to ban people like his own father from coming in merely due to their nationality.

Whether the discimmination is done in an individual or systemic basis doesn't matter, because discrimmination is discrimmination no matter how you cut it. I can come up with several cases of where whites are discrimminated against just based on their skin color such as Bahar Mustafa's #KillAllWhiteMen, the BLM's hijacking of the Orlando shooting vigil, the Chicago kidnapping, the countless allegations that Trump was elected by white people when he did a better job at getting the minority vote than Romney, BBC's hiring methodology, white passerbys getting assaulted during the Charlotte riots, I can go on. We can have the isolated vs systemic debate all we like, but the amount of individual cases is not trivial.

Also, once again, you have the propensity to misrepresent another person's points like claiming that JonTron was "complaining" about anti-white discrimmination and what I'm about to address, your allegation that he was praising Trump. I watched through much of the livestream again, but I heard more of his criticisms on the mainstream media and left's complacency. Heck, he even stated that he supported Bernie Sanders so perhaps you should hold back on those Nazi allegations that you seem to be eager to throw out again.

Your allegations also have a second fatal flaw: lack of specificity. JonTron praised Trump on what? His policies? Him winning? His opposition against political correctness? Making such a general allegation doesn't help your case, especially when the livestream lasted for 5 hours, so examples are of great importance. Otherwise, this is nothing more than a mere assertion.

He talks about anti-white propaganda right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhl5zjtT1sg

What's funny is that he's says that non-white people are being lumped into the anti-white crowd, yet he himself equates anti-Americanism to anti-white people, which is absurd. He also says how anti-white propaganda is institutional, which makes almost no sense as most of the richest and powerful in the United States are white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipa2q-T9Iw

He specifically refers to Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing by race, and says that people are delusional for thinking that Trump is wanting to divide people by race, yet his father is Iranian and Trump wants to block all Iranians from coming into the country.

Also, I would never have brought up the Nazis if Jontron hadn't done it himself.



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FunFan on 14 February 2017

Imagine if he had asked the Jesus guy to say the "kill all jews" message.



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Aura7541 on 14 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:

He talks about anti-white propaganda right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhl5zjtT1sg

What's funny is that he's says that non-white people are being lumped into the anti-white crowd, yet he himself equates anti-Americanism to anti-white people, which is absurd. He also says how anti-white propaganda is institutional, which makes almost no sense as most of the richest and powerful in the United States are white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipa2q-T9Iw

He specifically refers to Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing by race, and says that people are delusional for thinking that Trump is wanting to divide people by race, yet his father is Iranian and Trump wants to block all Iranians from coming into the country.

Also, I would never have brought up the Nazis if Jontron hadn't done it himself.

JonTron was criticizing collectivism. That was what he was getting at with non-white people being lumped into the anti-white crowd. He doesn't like how people are expected to think a certain way just on the basis of their skin color. He made a similar argument again on women and feminists. I will agree that anti-Americanism and anti-white people aren't equivalent to each other. However, your third claim is flawed because you're assuming that anti-white propoganda and wealth of a predominantly white nation are mutually exclusive. As I said before, discrimmination is discrimmination. Nowhere in the defintion is wealth of the country and the demographics of the country are involved. This is a bad comparison altogether.

As for your second paragraph, this has already been addressed by someone else earlier in the thread (the one who made a point of looking at the big picture). I will also supplement his point that Trump's travel ban was intended to be temporary. You would have a case if he was planning to do that indefinitely, but 120 days is a finite duration. So overall, this doesn't support your notion that Trump wants to divide people by race. You've also failed to prove your allegation that JonTron praised Trump. Criticizing Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing race and insinuating that Trump is not dividing people by race is not praising Trump.



TorterraBoy on 14 February 2017

idc about pewdiepie but most of the articles written about his "anti-semeticness" is fake



VGPolyglot on 14 February 2017
Aura7541 said:
VGPolyglot said:

He talks about anti-white propaganda right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhl5zjtT1sg

What's funny is that he's says that non-white people are being lumped into the anti-white crowd, yet he himself equates anti-Americanism to anti-white people, which is absurd. He also says how anti-white propaganda is institutional, which makes almost no sense as most of the richest and powerful in the United States are white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipa2q-T9Iw

He specifically refers to Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing by race, and says that people are delusional for thinking that Trump is wanting to divide people by race, yet his father is Iranian and Trump wants to block all Iranians from coming into the country.

Also, I would never have brought up the Nazis if Jontron hadn't done it himself.

JonTron was criticizing collectivism. That was what he was getting at with non-white people being lumped into the anti-white crowd. He doesn't like how people are expected to think a certain way just on the basis of their skin color. He made a similar argument again on women and feminists. I will agree that anti-Americanism and anti-white people aren't equivalent to each other. However, your third claim is flawed because you're assuming that anti-white propoganda and wealth of a predominantly white nation are mutually exclusive. As I said before, discrimmination is discrimmination. Nowhere in the defintion is wealth of the country and the demographics of the country are involved. This is a bad comparison altogether.

As for your second paragraph, this has already been addressed by someone else earlier in the thread (the one who made a point of looking at the big picture). I will also supplement his point that Trump's travel ban was intended to be temporary. You would have a case if he was planning to do that indefinitely, but 120 days is a finite duration. So overall, this doesn't support your notion that Trump wants to divide people by race. You've also failed to prove your allegation that JonTron praised Trump. Criticizing Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing race and insinuating that Trump is not dividing people by race is not praising Trump.

Well, where are we seeing anti-white propaganda by the rich establishment? Minorities are obviously targeted more than whites:

http://www.ibtimes.com/white-men-vs-black-men-prison-statistics-2016-why-are-more-african-american-males-2426793

The gap between incarceration rate between whites and blacks is enormous. That is something that does not happen without institutional racism.

Also, your claim that Donald Trump doesn't want to divide people by race makes no sense, when he made his first campaign speech on the illegal Mexican immigrants in the country being rapists, and also by supporting the temporary ban on Muslims, and even in the presidential debate when he supported stop and frisk, which mainly targets minorities. Jontron may not have overtly said that he supports Trump, but the context makes it likely that he does.



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betacon on 14 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
betacon said:

Wut? How do you even remotely make a connection between the two? That's hands down one of the dumbest things I've read in quite while.

I made a connection because Jontron made the connection.

No you did on a baseless assumption, ironically proving him right.



Aura7541 on 14 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aura7541 said:

JonTron was criticizing collectivism. That was what he was getting at with non-white people being lumped into the anti-white crowd. He doesn't like how people are expected to think a certain way just on the basis of their skin color. He made a similar argument again on women and feminists. I will agree that anti-Americanism and anti-white people aren't equivalent to each other. However, your third claim is flawed because you're assuming that anti-white propoganda and wealth of a predominantly white nation are mutually exclusive. As I said before, discrimmination is discrimmination. Nowhere in the defintion is wealth of the country and the demographics of the country are involved. This is a bad comparison altogether.

As for your second paragraph, this has already been addressed by someone else earlier in the thread (the one who made a point of looking at the big picture). I will also supplement his point that Trump's travel ban was intended to be temporary. You would have a case if he was planning to do that indefinitely, but 120 days is a finite duration. So overall, this doesn't support your notion that Trump wants to divide people by race. You've also failed to prove your allegation that JonTron praised Trump. Criticizing Bernie Sander's tweet about dividing race and insinuating that Trump is not dividing people by race is not praising Trump.

Well, where are we seeing anti-white propaganda by the rich establishment? Minorities are obviously targeted more than whites:

http://www.ibtimes.com/white-men-vs-black-men-prison-statistics-2016-why-are-more-african-american-males-2426793

The gap between incarceration rate between whites and blacks is enormous. That is something that does not happen without institutional racism.

Also, your claim that Donald Trump doesn't want to divide people by race makes no sense, when he made his first campaign speech on the illegal Mexican immigrants in the country being rapists, and also by supporting the temporary ban on Muslims, and even in the presidential debate when he supported stop and frisk, which mainly targets minorities. Jontron may not have overtly said that he supports Trump, but the context makes it likely that he does.

Saying that minorities are targetted more than whites doesn't necessarily disprove that there is discrimmination against white people. Both can happen simultaneously. Also, overrepresentation in incarceration rate does not necessarily mean there is institutional racism either because you haven't provided the big picture behind those statistics. Is there a law that discrimminates against a certain ethnic group?

Also, I'm already getting tired of your strawman fallacies. Read my comment again. I did not claim that Trump does not want to divide people by race. I was showing how your use of his travel ban as evidence didn't work. Stop addressing phantom arguments because I'm not interested in responding to these kind of false refutations. Your last sentence is argumentatively weak, as well by making a conclusion based on a personal perception rather than on something definitive. In addition, your original claim was that JonTron praised Trump and now you have changed it to him supporting Trump. Be consistent.



m_csquare on 14 February 2017

This time i have to side with disney. If only he's more aware abt who his main audience is.



Ganoncrotch on 14 February 2017

Guy is a multi millionaire now anyways, doesn't matter too much to him I'd bet, at this stage if he was to leave Youtube for something his followers would basically follow him to watch his stuff I think.



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Aura7541 on 14 February 2017

Okay, I've been waiting to see if anyone would finally mention the context of the "Death to all Jews" banner, but I'm going to put it up.

The whole context was "Death to all Jews, subscribe to Keemstar". I also checked the to articles from the OP by CTRL + F "Keemstar" and no dice. So if you guys don't know who Keemstar is, he's a horrible person. My buddy, Raven, from Vizioneck broke things down nicely, so I'll just put his comment here:

"For those of you who don't know, Keemstar is a gigantic piece of shit who makes his Youtube living by focusing on and sometimes inciting drama between internet personalities. He sometimes sets up faux situations to create very dramatic and toxic scenes. At one point, he even went off the rails in a witch hunt for a pedophile that played Runescape. He thought he found the guy, a guy in his 60's, and targeted him, along with his followers, for so much harassment that the guy actually broke down live and started crying. Turns out, he had the wrong guy and his little vigilante stunt nearly brought someone's life to ruin."