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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
SWORDF1SH said:
Scum reads are FF and hats. Both trying to take small issues and blow it up to get town lynched. The 'fight' at the start between was staged to try and eleminate any ties between them (something that hat suggested when I was scum with him last game). They were literally at each other straight away with FF voting hats over nothing. The whole thing was strange and hats patched it up pretty quick. This allowed them to cut their ties and immediately 'work things out' to take the attention off the issue. They were both very eager to point out they had clashed when I HoSed them. Hats naming FF town a  few time and FF giving hats "huge townie points" backs this up a bit. 
Hats is by far the most scummy!
Vote:Hatmoza
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If we lynch hats and he is scum, FF is next on the list. Prof still seems a little strange but has gone down on my scum list. Maybe SK?

 

First off:  you only had two votes. 

I completely understand why you say we're buddying.  We are pretty blatantly putting trust in one another.  I can only say you're wrong about the reason:  I just really think he's town based on how he's played.  My only real defense is, would we really buddy up so blatantly and strongly if we were actually mafia together?  I argue that we would not.  You can only make your own judgment from there.  Not that it matters for you toDay, since your votes are cast, but others reading this can judge for themselves, and if the three of us live till toMorrow it'll be important. 



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
BladeSymphony said:
Also, if we have a day killer among us, could he have shot prof?

Are you serious?  If nothing else I think we can rule you out as the day-killer. 



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017

OH I GET IT NOW. No, Blade, I will with a high level of confidence say that I don't think Linkzmax would remove prof from the game and forbid him from posting without any notification in the game. That's just mean.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
spurgeonryan said:
@ FF
You guys are crazy and the reason I think this question has gone on too long is because I have no idea what a set up should look like. I ran one game and either guessed how many scum there ashould be or followed some online tutorial. So to me 2 or 3 or 4 means little to me.
You all should know I have no nack for set up. That is why I asked.
I figure though, that since we are weaker this game, that scum would be weaker as well. So either less killing or less people.
But now, unless scum has a day kill I will assume there is a third party. Right, since we had two deaths day one. So now are we thinking two or still three and a third party.

I don't like it but I will tentatively accept this answer at face value.  I just wish I had had this answer three days ago (small d). 

What do you think of Darwin and Blade?  What do you think of Sword's case that hatmoza and I are scum-buddies? 



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
NoCtiS_NoX said:
Final-Fan said:

Don't worry, I didn't forget you.  I just saved the best for last!
-I was really impressed by hatmoza's big data contribution, and correspondingly I didn't think much of padib's reason for dismissing its value.  He said that his lack of interaction with players is due to the fact that he is "calm", which is just mind-boggling in and of itself.  Surely he meant some other thing because calmness has nothing to do with whether or not he interacts with other players in the game.  I called this out. 
-Then he went on the attack against hatmoza and said no one cared about his data. 
-Then he voted TruckOSaurus (pretty much out of nowhere, or so it seemed to me).  He suggested that we "trickle votes in", which made me suspicious that perhaps he was scum who didn't really care who got lynched but just wanted it to be whoever had enough support to accomplish the lynch. 
-Then, after prof voted him, he immediately revenge voted.  I mean if I had more respect for him as a player, I would be more hesitant to consider this a scum tell, but as it stands he's just some guy to me with a textbook scum tell. 

Basically, I completely agreed with prof, so I didn't articulate my own thoughts.  I should have said that much, at the very least.  Whoops. 

The explanation is great but the thing the irks me is when just voted and oozes scum. This could have been on day 1 not day 2. 

You didn't provide any reasoning for your vote. I find it scummy.

I can't go back and fix it, sorry.  All I can say is that even though I didn't say the part about agreeing with prof's reasoning, I had made some other posts about how I thought hatmoza's points were sound and padib's response was garbage.  So I do have at least some evidence for why I was leaning in the same direction for more reason than "oozes scum".  I just didn't recap it in the post where I voted. 



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hatmoza on 05 February 2017
Final-Fan said:

His participation level is very low, which is a classic scum tell.  He is a very savvy player, though, so I'm surprised that he would be scum and let his participation fall off so drastically.  I liked his case against padib a lot, in fact he was echoing my thoughts very much, but that's a little bit less of a town tell when padib actually turns out innocent.  I'm not blaming him for that, though. 

I'm suspicious of him not for what he's said, but for what he hasn't said, which I gather is similar to your own thoughts.  I like Blade and Darwin as suspects more, though, so as far as lynching goes I would be less favorable to a prof lynch unless some new information comes to light or someone comes forward with a better argument. 

A prof lynch today is vey unlikely nor am I pushing for one at the moment. Just making it clear that there is an alternative to who the scum team is if the flips don't match. I'm all for a Blade or Darwin lynch today or even Stefl to be honest.

I'm waiting for stefl and prof to come back and give their thoughts. This day is very crucial. If we mislynch and we go into the next day with one less active town via night kill. Scum influence in votes will increase drastically tomorrow.

I want to get this lynch right.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
BladeSymphony said:
Sorry, I was sucked into Suikoden II most of the day.

To answer the question of how voting padib instead of voting for Hatz's is a smart move, it probably wasn't, to be quite fair, but I wanted to see if he was acting as scummy as I thought originally, and I still think he is, I still think he's flip flopping votes and I still think he's picking easy targets by going after lurkers like prof. That was the only reason. If you all do not think it is sufficient, you can do what you will, but my votes by the end of this Day are going to Hatz, because he's still continually flopping around like a paranoid fish, painting everyone as scum. I'm interested in who he has not painted as scum because that would be another primary target.

You can FoS me, FF, but I think you're 100% incorrect there and should focus on the dude you've been buddy-buddy with all game.

Lolwut?  Going after prof.  Going after the easy target.  You need to explain this in detail to me.  Why is prof an easy target? 

P.S.  Accusing someone of "flip flopping votes" in an especially interesting claim to make in this game.  Please also explain why you think this is the case.  Given, you know, the inability to unvote. 



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hatmoza on 05 February 2017

It's interesting Blade's accusations of my flip-flopping. I have been very precise with my suspects, some more suspicious than others, that's true, but that's natural. It is a game after all that challenges us. I don't understand what he is accusing me off... his points are completely detached from the consistency of the game.

Again very interesting the choice of words "flip-flopping". 5 years ago, yes perhaps. That's something prof would and has accused me of years ago. If I didn't know any better I'd swear he's being coached by someone who has previous experience with my old play style. Either prof or Stefl...

Which nicely brings me back to prof's second tell I mentioned day 1. His tells are that he is dismissive as scum and secondly he attempts to assassinate player credibility when he's scum by mentioning the past. I know this is farfetched but he could be channeling his second tell through coaching... ie Blade.



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Final-Fan on 05 February 2017
spurgeonryan said:
Day killer in this game ( sounds far fetched seeing how it is a super vanilla game.

Blade what makes you think in a vanilla game this is possible.

Just when I start to think you are showing dangerously good sense, you go and do something silly like forget that TOS died at Nightfall along with padib getting lynched.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8283156

It stands to reason that this was an action that triggered at the end of the Day.  It doesn't make sense to me that it would count as a Night action when it took effect at the moment Night fell unlike normal Mafia Night actions.  Whoever targeted TOS for death had to have named him during the Day, unless it was an automatic effect somehow. 



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hatmoza on 05 February 2017
spurgeonryan said:

@ hatmoza

Darwin didn't exactly make a fool of prof about 4 games back, but in his first game town took a devastating loss and Darwin was the noob that prof just could not get lynched no matter what. I would be surprised if prof let him talk as much as he had. Unless prof really is laying low.

Either case Darwin should be questioned extensively. Both stefl and prof would or should easily be able to tell his alignment. Stefl having been the ring leader of that game and prof being the poor sap who seemed to be tasked to lynch him.


Yet have they said much of anything to darwin?

What the hell is the context of the bolded? or rather simply put. What is the point you are trying to make to me here? cuz I'm not making the connection.



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