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naznatips on 02 April 2008
mrstickball said:
.....Or a WRPG with multiplayer :)


Touché, but other than Diablo 2 there aren't any with any real expansive multiplayers.  



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rocketpig on 02 April 2008

BTW I think there is one thing we can all agree on: A little JRPG is far more likely to take chances and do something different than a big JRPG. Not that I don't still like the big JRPGs from Square Enix and such, but I find I anticipate them a lot less because they are far more derivative. That said, even Square Enix has some originality, just not in their high budget projects (see: The World Ends With You).


I can definitely agree with that, which is too bad. Look at breakthroughs like KOTOR. I would love to see S-E, Level 5, or Mistwalker throw the JRPG genre on its head like that game did five years ago.




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naznatips on 02 April 2008
rocketpig said:

I can agree with that. But, classifying those games as "Games with RPG elements" opens up a huge ball of wax as far as gameplay diversity goes in the WRPG genre.

Like I said earlier, I think we're just really breaking this down into a semantical argument. Given the wide scope of what is considered "JRPG" vs. the narrow scope of what is considered a "WRPG", it hardly seems fair to me to compare gameplay diversity because once a WRPG steps out of the genre's bounds a few feet, it gets tossed into an entirely different genre.

Man, this conversation really makes me wish I kept more of my old RPGs.


But you don't understand. You keep saying my definition is overly broad, but I'm never leaving the realm of games with a statistical increase system and a level of customizable stat increase. Whereas what you keep saying should be included in the WRPG genre doesn't exit that parameter. I'm applying the same qualifier to both genres. The difference is just that there are so many more JRPGs developed each year, leading to more diversity.

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.



Words Of Wisdom on 02 April 2008
naznatips said:
rocketpig said:

I can agree with that. But, classifying those games as "Games with RPG elements" opens up a huge ball of wax as far as gameplay diversity goes in the WRPG genre.

Like I said earlier, I think we're just really breaking this down into a semantical argument. Given the wide scope of what is considered "JRPG" vs. the narrow scope of what is considered a "WRPG", it hardly seems fair to me to compare gameplay diversity because once a WRPG steps out of the genre's bounds a few feet, it gets tossed into an entirely different genre.

Man, this conversation really makes me wish I kept more of my old RPGs.


But you don't understand. You keep saying my definition is overly broad, but I'm never leaving the realm of games with a statistical increase system and a level of customizable stat increase. Whereas what you keep saying should be included in the WRPG genre does exit that parameter. I'm applying the same qualifier to both genres. The difference is just that there are so many more JRPGs developed each year, leading to more diversity.

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.


Inazuma Eleven meet Princess Nine. It's just a naming coincidence I'm sure.



naznatips on 02 April 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.


Inazuma Eleven meet Princess Nine. It's just a naming coincidence I'm sure.


Welcome to anime naming.  Including a number in your game's name hardly disqualifies it as original.  A soccer RPG is a very unique idea, and I'm kinda shocked you're attacking it on the fact that it has "Eleven" in its name.



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Words Of Wisdom on 02 April 2008
naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.


Inazuma Eleven meet Princess Nine. It's just a naming coincidence I'm sure.


Welcome to anime naming. Including a number in your game's name hardly disqualifies it as original. A soccer RPG is a very unique idea, and I'm kinda shocked you're attacking it on the fact that it has "Eleven" in its name.


Capcom made a Megaman soccer game with varied character stats. Leveling up and the like may be neat, but I'm not really impressed. The current trend seems to be adding level up/gain systems to every game.  ^_^

The "Word" + "Number" thing seemed strange to me. So at least we know that the naming isn't original.



naznatips on 02 April 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.


Inazuma Eleven meet Princess Nine. It's just a naming coincidence I'm sure.


Welcome to anime naming. Including a number in your game's name hardly disqualifies it as original. A soccer RPG is a very unique idea, and I'm kinda shocked you're attacking it on the fact that it has "Eleven" in its name.


Capcom made a Megaman soccer game with varied character stats. Leveling up and the like may be neat, but I'm not really impressed. The current trend seems to be adding level up/gain systems to every game. ^_^

The "Word" + "Number" thing seemed strange to me. So at least we know that the naming isn't original.


If the combination of two types of nouns makes a name unoriginal, guess what? Every game ever made is unoriginal.



rocketpig on 02 April 2008
naznatips said:
rocketpig said:

I can agree with that. But, classifying those games as "Games with RPG elements" opens up a huge ball of wax as far as gameplay diversity goes in the WRPG genre.

Like I said earlier, I think we're just really breaking this down into a semantical argument. Given the wide scope of what is considered "JRPG" vs. the narrow scope of what is considered a "WRPG", it hardly seems fair to me to compare gameplay diversity because once a WRPG steps out of the genre's bounds a few feet, it gets tossed into an entirely different genre.

Man, this conversation really makes me wish I kept more of my old RPGs.


But you don't understand. You keep saying my definition is overly broad, but I'm never leaving the realm of games with a statistical increase system and a level of customizable stat increase. Whereas what you keep saying should be included in the WRPG genre doesn't exit that parameter. I'm applying the same qualifier to both genres. The difference is just that there are so many more JRPGs developed each year, leading to more diversity.

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.

I understand that but going by your definition of RPG, the WRPG genre balloons considerably, which brings us back around to what started this conversation in the first place...

Anyway, I realize that Level 5 is a great developer but that's a DS game. I specified earlier that it would be great to see a high-budget game come out of left field and rock the genre like KOTOR did. Not some mid-to-low budget game or a portable game. 

 




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Words Of Wisdom on 02 April 2008
naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
naznatips said:

Also, Level 5 is definitely not lacking originality.


Inazuma Eleven meet Princess Nine. It's just a naming coincidence I'm sure.


Welcome to anime naming. Including a number in your game's name hardly disqualifies it as original. A soccer RPG is a very unique idea, and I'm kinda shocked you're attacking it on the fact that it has "Eleven" in its name.


Capcom made a Megaman soccer game with varied character stats. Leveling up and the like may be neat, but I'm not really impressed. The current trend seems to be adding level up/gain systems to every game. ^_^

The "Word" + "Number" thing seemed strange to me. So at least we know that the naming isn't original.


If the combination of two types of nouns makes a name unoriginal, guess what? Every game ever made is unoriginal.


True story.  Heck, the Simpsons already did it.