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SonytendoAmiibo said:

Strange that a site dedicated to finding the smallest resolution differences now say that resolution doesn't matter. Ramblings indeed.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-does-resolution-really-matter

Perhaps if you actually tried to understand how they came to that conclusion... You might understand that they aren't wrong, besides the Article was in response to a Nelson poll.

SonytendoAmiibo said:
So I can't use old information, but Digital Foundry can. Hmm. And not only did DF use old information with the Switch spec leak, they also used old information with the recent Scorpio spec leak. And with both leaks, proceeded to pile assumptions on top of old info. Its OK for them to do these things? I say it is misinformation.

It's not misinformation.
They were not willing to release the information untill they had enough sources to verify it's legitimacy, which is why they sat on it for so long.
And at the time of posting, was accurate.

This is how legitimate outlets work... And it is better than them reporting on every single possible rumor.

Their opinion isn't the opinion of some random hobo walking along the street either, their opinion is built from technical understanding and knowledge.

Normchacho said:

The first key difference is that you tried to pass it off as current information (Strange that a site dedicated to finding the smallest resolution differences now say that resolution doesn't matter.) While DF gave the proper age, and natureof the information they were using in both of those cases.

Context. They weren't saying Resolution doesn't matter, they were saying it is less important with a ton of post-processing, anti-aliasing etc'.
You need to read the entire article within it's intended context... And that their reasoning is that, there is more to image quality than resolution... And they aren't wrong on that assumption.

Is resolution nice though? Heck yes.

SonytendoAmiibo said:

Fact: Digital Foundry knowingly receives info that is protected by a legally binding NDA agreement. The information was not meant to be revealed to the public and is not yet finalized by the companies involved for public release.

We have nothing to do with those who break NDA's whistle-blow.
That is their circus, not ours... And it does not make the information Digital foundry provides as inaccurate.

SonytendoAmiibo said:

Fact: Digital Foundry uses outdated info to substantiate their claims.

Fact: Digital Foundry uses assumptions to substantiate their claims.

 

Fact: Digital foundry waits untill it has enough evidence and sources to substantuate their claims, this may delay the release of information. This is a good thing.

SonytendoAmiibo said:
Just because the lemmings jump off the cliff means I am supposed to jump too? Sorry to disappoint you. I am an older person who grew up with news that was not filled with assumptions and opinions. News simply reported the facts. What passes as news today is nothing more than twisted truth and manufactured lies designed to get more views. Its sad.

I love a good conspiracy theory.

fleischr said:

Whether Scorpio is "true 4K" or not - it's basically Xbox One Pro - meaning you get a range of enhancements. Make of that what you will.

It doesn't matter in the end.
It was common knowledge that Scoprio was not going to be a "True 4k" device in tech circles, it's something I stated on this forum after the Scorpio reveal multiple times.
The technology does not exist in a form factor that is affordable for consoles to take advantage of.

But it will still end up being the console with the best graphics this generation.

SonytendoAmiibo said:

This thread is not about the capabilities of the Scorpio. Its about Digital Foundry and the wild assumptions they make with there spec leak videos. Their latest Scorpio spec video is a good 75% speculation. Why cant they wait untill they actually get their hands on one to test, and then tell us what the results are?

The difference is, Digital Foundry is well versed on this topic, it's not some wildlish outlandish, impossible opinions that they are throwing around because cats.
The bright side is, Digital Foundry lets us know of what their opinion is, they don't hide the fact.

You need to stop making something out of nothing.

SonytendoAmiibo said:

But a site highly regarded like Digital Foundry should not be lowering themselves down to the level of common rumor mongers. YouTube already has millions of them already.

Look if you don't like Digital Foundry, then the simple solution is... To stop reading their content and move on with life.

The rest of us will continue to use them as a good source of information.

 

SonytendoAmiibo said:
DF is saying the CPU is not Zen because of a vague statement from the document. Im not saying DF is being vague. Thats a pretty big assumption from one tiny phrase. Sorry to tell you this but Digital Foundry lays it on thick to get views and clicks. I am amazed that there are actual YouTube channel fanboys who will defend their chosen media outlet blindly. Whats next? Breakfast cereal fanboys? Its a sign of the times I guess.

Note that they stated it was an assumption from the beginning and didn't pass it off as 100% factual.

And the reason why they made the statement they did is because all the information we currently have points to it, it's not just a random guess, they are basing that idea on a fundamental understanding of hardware. And ironically I said the same thing last year, that Scorpio will likely use Jaguar or it's direct successor, Puma.

So I ask you this, what kind of technical understand of computing hardware do you have? Why should we believe you over Digital Foundry?




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SonytendoAmiibo said:
Aura7541 said:

How is 6TF, 12GB GDDR5, higher cache, checkerboard 4K, and likely not Zen CPU vague...?

Also innocent until proven guilty in response to your last sentence.

 

DF is saying the CPU is not Zen because of a vague statement from the document. Im not saying DF is being vague. Thats a pretty big assumption from one tiny phrase. Sorry to tell you this but Digital Foundry lays it on thick to get views and clicks. I am amazed that there are actual YouTube channel fanboys who will defend their chosen media outlet blindly. Whats next? Breakfast cereal fanboys? Its a sign of the times I guess.

They said back then Scorpio was announced that it seemed unlikely that they would use Zen both because of the amount of space it would take up, and because they felt that they would have made a bigger deal about it of they were using Zen.



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bdbdbd said:
DonFerrari said:

Would that be because there isn't much that MS have publically released?

Yes it could, but they were speculating on rumours, and when a rumour contradicted their speculation, the rumour obviously was wrong.

the ones responsible to combat rumors is the company that is interested in them not other parties.



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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Pemalite said:
snyps said:
Ever since I have been a member DF/Eurogamer have been a thorn in my side's side.

Why? Because they publish real information and have become one of the most legitimate sources of tech information on the internet, up there with the likes of Anandtech? I can see how that might be damaging.

Really sounding like a presidential debate. I wouldn't call the Switch spec leaks real. 



SonytendoAmiibo said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Because if they get lots of people to read the article/watch the video DF gets money.

Yup. To bad peoples greed has to ruin everything.

yea, we should have real comunism, where work is optional and not a means to make a living ..



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SonytendoAmiibo said:
Aura7541 said:

How is 6TF, 12GB GDDR5, higher cache, checkerboard 4K, and likely not Zen CPU vague...?

Also innocent until proven guilty in response to your last sentence.

DF is saying the CPU is not Zen because of a vague statement from the document. Im not saying DF is being vague. Thats a pretty big assumption from one tiny phrase. Sorry to tell you this but Digital Foundry lays it on thick to get views and clicks. I am amazed that there are actual YouTube channel fanboys who will defend their chosen media outlet blindly. Whats next? Breakfast cereal fanboys? Its a sign of the times I guess.

1. DF is saying the CPU is likely not Zen.

2. As Normchacho said, Zen is not likely because of space. Also, as Richard said, if the Scorpio had Zen, then it wouldn't need to interpolate animations. Are you seriously trying to tell me that interpolating animation is a "vague" statement? If your argument is solely dependent on buzzwords, then that is not much of an argument at all.



The thing is, nothing changed from the earlier specs leaked a long long time ago (even they are saying they read from the document they had leaked to them in July 2016)...

All talks about Zen CPU/Polaris GPU have always been purely speculative, and they don't change anything in regards to what we knew (6+TF with 320gbps DDR 5 RAM) ... I don't see why people are upset, it will be 40%ish % faster than the ps4 PRO, and hopefully won't cost too much, to a decent number of people can and want to buy it when it's not on sale at crazy prices like the XB1/s since it's launch (people buy those only when the bundles are crazy enough to make the console essentially free).

Hopefully they'll fix the console's OS as well, because as of now it's just plain broken, and a mess to use.



Lafiel said:

yea, we should have real comunism, where work is optional and not a means to make a living ..

Just to make something clear communism is about giving power to the working/farming class, and let them be in control of what they produce, in order to get more revenue to them instead of the managers... it has nothing to do with giving hand-outs to people who don't do shit.


When all is said and done, once the gouvernement is on power that never happened anywhere, all the russians ever got was a dictatorship, same for the chinese - both with some ill advised gouvernement attempts at running all businesses (even the act of repairing a toaster becomes something done by the gvt... quite strange when you think about it!).




snyps said:

Really sounding like a presidential debate. I wouldn't call the Switch spec leaks real. 

I don't care about your American politics. And if you have nothing to add other than personal jabs, please move along.

alabtrosMyster said:

The thing is, nothing changed from the earlier specs leaked a long long time ago (even they are saying they read from the document they had leaked to them in July 2016)...

Not entirely true. We do now know that the L2 cache has increased by a factor of 4x.

alabtrosMyster said:

All talks about Zen CPU/Polaris GPU have always been purely speculative, and they don't change anything in regards to what we knew (6+TF with 320gbps DDR 5 RAM) ... I don't see why people are upset, it will be 40%ish % faster than the ps4 PRO, and hopefully won't cost too much, to a decent number of people can and want to buy it when it's not on sale at crazy prices like the XB1/s since it's launch (people buy those only when the bundles are crazy enough to make the console essentially free).

This is why we need more low-level hardware information, if it's based on AMD's NCU, IPC could give the scorpio a big performance advantage.




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Pemalite said:
snyps said:

Really sounding like a presidential debate. I wouldn't call the Switch spec leaks real. 

I don't care about your American politics. And if you have nothing to add other than personal jabs, please move along.


I added something which you ignored. I was commenting on what you said as being a bunch of fluff.