I still need the laptop. A slightly more expensive laptop to double for VR gaming would be a nice excuse to double dip, yet as it looks now it's twice as much even before considering the much higher prices of OR and Vive in Canada. That should change in the future though.

I know, just making fun of all those you can build a ps4 pc for $400 threads, while the reality is that most serious PC gamers easily go over $1000 for their rig. Console graphics are good enough for me nowadays. I used to spend over $3000 on my PCs, don't have the urge anymore since this gen. The driving force for my upgrades had already dwindled down to MS Flight simulator, Everquest and WoW. I don't play those anymore.

Because there is a difference between official support and non official support? Official support means the company is realizing there is a market there for their products where as an unofficial support means the company doesn't think the market matters enough.

And I never said it was attractive to PC gamers. I said it is a way that Sony is trying to get into the pc market. Whether or not it is working is irrelevant...

Damn that's expensive. In the US you could build that same rig for under $1300.

I wonder how they define the low, middle, and high end. This doesn't tell us much without that critical info.

Good news indeed. After AMD Zen prices will have dropped a little and there will be mid-range quad-core models available too, I'll probably do my next major upgrade, my current faithful undead PC is getting quite old.

No thats incorrect as someone whos worked many years developing games on both consoles and PC, consoles is another ball game, Sure together PC games they make quite a bit of revenue but the Billion dollar elephant in the room though is theres far more competition thus that revenue gets divided up amongst far more games, eg look at the link you supplied, the #1 game on steam only brought in $78 million dollars for the whole year, for console games #1 you're often talking in greater than a billion dollars revenue, theres no comparison. Read the link you supplied 5,245 new games launched on steam last year, which are competeing with the thousands of games already available on the steam store. With consoles you're only talking about hundreds of new titles a year not thousands. Read gamasutra.com etc most PC games don't make a profit at all, in fact more than half actually lose money

True for the individual game developers. We were talking about Steam profitting though. That link also says that Steam revenue was flat year over year while indeed the amount of games released on Steam is exploding. And with an average sale price of $9.50 per games, there's not a lot of profit for individual developers. Yet I'm sure Steam takes the same cut from that 3.5 billion regardless.

But true, apart from games not getting drowned in the flood on consoles, if you look at where the big publishers make the most money on AAA games it's mostly ps4 > PC > XBox One > rest, and all consoles combined PC is a much smaller slice.

I know. I was making fun of your post. It was literally dripping with sarcasm. - It could have watered an entire farm.

On the PC. Official support doesn't really matter. - PC Gamers typically have the basic googling skills required to obtain what they require.

Besides, Microsoft's controller still has better support on PC than Sony's effort anyway, plus most PC retailers stock Xbox controllers, not Playstation for use with the PC.

You are right though, Sony's attempt whether successful or attractive to PC gamers is irrellevent, they have at-least made an effort even if it's marginal.

Alby_da_Wolf said: Good news indeed. After AMD Zen prices will have dropped a little and there will be mid-range quad-core models available too, I'll probably do my next major upgrade, my current faithful undead PC is getting quite old.

Word on the street is that AMD's Quad-Core will be the low-end offering.
The Hex-Core will be the mid-range.

Intel will be heading down that same path soon as Intel will be releasing a 6-core processor for it's mainstream socket.

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything less than a 6-core CPU anyway, been enjoying having 6+ cores since 2010.

Zen will be less efficient than Intel though, something to keep in mind, hopefully with the added competition they bring prices down across the board, the market needs a pricing correction. It's bullshit at the moment.