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Egelo said:
VGPolyglot said:

I doubt that you even know what the left is.

Been on a campus lately, i know to well.  Then theres the crowds at work yes yes let bring in more undocumeted refugess, islam has nothing to do with terrorism.

Sour grapes bra ? Trump won left is falling all over the world.  Get used to it.  

I'm not sour that Trump won, he's bascially the exact same as Obama, just with different rhetoric. Obama is much closer to Trump than he is to leftists.



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VGPolyglot said:
Egelo said:

Been on a campus lately, i know to well.  Then theres the crowds at work yes yes let bring in more undocumeted refugess, islam has nothing to do with terrorism.

Sour grapes bra ? Trump won left is falling all over the world.  Get used to it.  

I'm not sour that Trump won, he's bascially the exact same as Obama, just with different rhetoric. Obama is much closer to Trump than he is to leftists.

So true! That's why I laugh when I see people on the right championing Trump as if he's not said so many things in line with Obama. Tax companies for sending jobs overseas? Obama's platform. Among other things. Here's an article about it: http://www.newsweek.com/2016-election-donald-trump-barack-obama-campaigns-520566

There are some glaring differences though. But, in the end he'll end up disappointing those who blindly follow him just like Obama did. 



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FentonCrackshell said:
VGPolyglot said:

I'm not sour that Trump won, he's bascially the exact same as Obama, just with different rhetoric. Obama is much closer to Trump than he is to leftists.

So true! That's why I laugh when I see people on the right championing Trump as if he's not said so many things in line with Obama. Tax companies for sending jobs overseas? Obama's platform. Among other things. Here's an article about it: http://www.newsweek.com/2016-election-donald-trump-barack-obama-campaigns-520566

There are some glaring differences though. But, in the end he'll end up disappointing those who blindly follow him just like Obama did. 

Its his anti islam stance comapred to obams kissing its ass that matters most.

 

ohh and this just kills me, more lolz then the dubya years.  



barneystinson69 said:
SvennoJ said:

I'm no expert on trade deals, yet claiming it's a oneway street doesn't fly with me. How can the trade deal between USA and Canada decimate both our economies... Canada invested too much in tar sands thinking peak oil had already been reached.

But he's right in one thing, if you want to support your own economy, buy local. Yet what is he going to do so people can afford to buy locally made products. Simply making foreign made products more expensive isn't going to make locally made goods more competitive. It's funny, what he wants is basically the same as raising tax. Buy local, hire local, or pay more, and thus generate more tax. It leads to the same effect, reduce your addictive consumer lifestyle and lower purchasing power. We'll see if protectionism can work this time.

Well thats hard when almost all manufacturing goods are made in foreign countries. Wasn't the case before NAFTA.

Manufacturing jobs were getting outsourced regardless. And it seems NAFTA was actually beneficial to Canada

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/reality-check-canada-has-no-appetite-to-scrap-trade-despite-nafta-poll
The U.S. sees a modest, but positive, impact from NAFTA, most think-tanks agree. Some debate whether the deal has stymied Mexico’s growth. Canada is generally seen as a winner.
Mexico seems to be the one who should be complaining.

A special report from BMO Capital Markets last week shows Canada’s total trade within NAFTA went from $239 billion in 1994 to $567 billion in 2015. Concurrently, unemployment went from 10.4 per cent to 6.9 per cent.

The Council of Canadians blames NAFTA for the loss of about half a million jobs. But the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations estimates job gains in Canada at 4.7 million since NAFTA’s entrance.

Doesn't seem bad for the US either
http://www.cfr.org/trade/naftas-economic-impact/p15790

Oh well, blame Nafta. The economy is changing, trying to turn the clock back 30 years isn't going to help. And those manufacturing jobs will mostly be done by robots when brought back. Great for people that work in robotics :)



Hiku said:
 

Now he accepted the position of head of housing. As Elizabeth Warren pointed out in the clip, Trump has large interests in that sector, as he sells buildings for a living. She asked if Ben Carson could guarantee that he wouldn't have the money from his department benefit Trump's company, as that is a conflict of interest that a President should not have, and he could not confirm that he wont pour money into Trump's pocket.

So if money is still Trump's main motivation, unlike Bernie Sanders who has never accepted a coorporate check in his entire carreer, always refused, then it's hard to be optimistic. But we'll of course have to see and hope for the best. Trump does occasionally say some good things, like that pharmaceutical companies are "getting away with murder".

Elizabeth Warren's question was dishonest and framed so that any correct answer makes Carson look corrupt. She showed her dishonesty by saying "a yes or no answer" when it clearly is a complex topic requiring a complex answer. She made it abundantly clear her intention was to discredit Carson, She even shared the question and response on her Facebook. She asked if he can assure with a yes or no only answer that "not a single taxpayer dollar of HUD (housing and Urban Development) goes to benefit Trumps real estate business." Basically if Ben Carson does his job then many areas will have improved housing and urban development (hence the name of HUD) which will BENEFIT many real estate companies including Trump's because price of their buildings may increase in these areas. He literally did say he would not choose favorites. but he couldn't confirm that Trump's business would not benefit cause to answer that question would be a lie cause he can't know at this point. Warren painted a picture of Carson as a croonie who will steal tax payer money for Trump's business.

 

Also Bernie just bought a THIRD home. A lakefront house located on an island in Lake Champlain. Also when Bernie's wife was working their combined income put them in the "top 1%" by US statistics of household income In Vermont. Now that she is retired, Bernie by himself is top 2%. As a young College student, what Bernie said really appealed to me but after listening to the other side of the argument (business owners) I saw how unrealistic and out of touch his plans really were. I'll provide a vid of him responding to a audience question of a small business owner (many small business owners are top 1% btw). He refuses to acknowledge small business owners and goes off on a tangent about "greedy multibillion dollar corporations" and "polluting the water and food" every chance he gets. I realized this was just rhetoric to create a villian he is fighting against and to avoid the harsh truth that he planned to tax MUCH MORE than just billionaire fat cats. Not to say I'm on the side of these corporations but it needs to be understood that Bernie's policies would indeed hurt small business. There is a clip of him saying he doesn't think 90% tax rate on rich is too high. lol what the FUCK! He walked it back and damaged controlled saying "I never said I would tax the rich 90%" which is true but he clearly said he is okay with it.

notice how he claims top 1 and top 2 percent are "multi millionaires and billionaires". which isn't always true. In Vermont top 1% is $300k and over. he is desperate to blame corporate fat cats for everything and use them to justify taxes on others. top 2% of combined income is like $190k (if i remember correctly) in Vermont which is not crazy and is considered upper middle class by most. Also he tries to equate the less regulations the small business owner wants to wanting to be able to pollute air and posion food...

also notice how in the first clip he says "52% of all new income generated goes to the top 1 percent" then in the older clip "99% of all new income generated goes to the top 1 percent". Is he just making up shit on the spot



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Hillary would have been a powerless leader regardless.


Its a rock and a hard place.



SvennoJ said:
barneystinson69 said:

Well thats hard when almost all manufacturing goods are made in foreign countries. Wasn't the case before NAFTA.

Manufacturing jobs were getting outsourced regardless. And it seems NAFTA was actually beneficial to Canada

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/reality-check-canada-has-no-appetite-to-scrap-trade-despite-nafta-poll
The U.S. sees a modest, but positive, impact from NAFTA, most think-tanks agree. Some debate whether the deal has stymied Mexico’s growth. Canada is generally seen as a winner.
Mexico seems to be the one who should be complaining.

A special report from BMO Capital Markets last week shows Canada’s total trade within NAFTA went from $239 billion in 1994 to $567 billion in 2015. Concurrently, unemployment went from 10.4 per cent to 6.9 per cent.

The Council of Canadians blames NAFTA for the loss of about half a million jobs. But the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations estimates job gains in Canada at 4.7 million since NAFTA’s entrance.

Doesn't seem bad for the US either
http://www.cfr.org/trade/naftas-economic-impact/p15790

Oh well, blame Nafta. The economy is changing, trying to turn the clock back 30 years isn't going to help. And those manufacturing jobs will mostly be done by robots when brought back. Great for people that work in robotics :)

So I guess an economy in which people fight over mcjobs is something you enjoy. I mean after all, the median income in our country hasn't kept with inflation for the past 15 years, and looks to be going nowhere. But no, I'm sure the 100s of billions that went to the top is good for you. :)



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Hiku said:


Oh shit...

This is amazing lol. 



barneystinson69 said:
SvennoJ said:

Manufacturing jobs were getting outsourced regardless. And it seems NAFTA was actually beneficial to Canada

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/reality-check-canada-has-no-appetite-to-scrap-trade-despite-nafta-poll
The U.S. sees a modest, but positive, impact from NAFTA, most think-tanks agree. Some debate whether the deal has stymied Mexico’s growth. Canada is generally seen as a winner.
Mexico seems to be the one who should be complaining.

A special report from BMO Capital Markets last week shows Canada’s total trade within NAFTA went from $239 billion in 1994 to $567 billion in 2015. Concurrently, unemployment went from 10.4 per cent to 6.9 per cent.

The Council of Canadians blames NAFTA for the loss of about half a million jobs. But the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations estimates job gains in Canada at 4.7 million since NAFTA’s entrance.

Doesn't seem bad for the US either
http://www.cfr.org/trade/naftas-economic-impact/p15790

Oh well, blame Nafta. The economy is changing, trying to turn the clock back 30 years isn't going to help. And those manufacturing jobs will mostly be done by robots when brought back. Great for people that work in robotics :)

So I guess an economy in which people fight over mcjobs is something you enjoy. I mean after all, the median income in our country hasn't kept with inflation for the past 15 years, and looks to be going nowhere. But no, I'm sure the 100s of billions that went to the top is good for you. :)

How is cancelling NAFTA and closing the borders going to change that?

Don't worry, soon people don't have to fight over McJobs anymore :)
http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/
(McDs didn't go through with it, but message received, don't raise the minimum wage or else)



SvennoJ said:
barneystinson69 said:

So I guess an economy in which people fight over mcjobs is something you enjoy. I mean after all, the median income in our country hasn't kept with inflation for the past 15 years, and looks to be going nowhere. But no, I'm sure the 100s of billions that went to the top is good for you. :)

How is cancelling NAFTA and closing the borders going to change that?

Don't worry, soon people don't have to fight over McJobs anymore :)
http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/
(McDs didn't go through with it, but message received, don't raise the minimum wage or else)

There isn't anyway to fix it, as Canada has no negotiating power to actually fight for keeping its jobs, unlike America who has far more people and can. Or are you talking about America? If thats the case, closing borders prevents illegal immigration = more jobs and fairer wages for Americans. Trade deals in general cause the job loses, so getting rid of them at leasts help with stopping the bleeding. Trump has said he will fight for American jobs, and well that waits to be seen.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).