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Johnw1104 said:
Goatseye said:

What kind of analogy is this? Obama willingly commuted Manning's sentence, there's no clause for Manning to be released upon Obama's done with his 2nd term. 

I would think it is obvious: What took him so long?

It's a duplicitous attempt to change the historical narrative regarding his approach to freedom of information... Perhaps it's just me, but a complete reversal of one's own policies during the last few hours of a final term seems both insincere and self-serving. His modus operandi of the past eight years cannot be undone by a single, contradictory act on his way out the door.

There's no reason Manning had to be in jail, Assange trapped in an embassy, and Snowden living in Russia were this reflective of Obama's true sentiments; rather, he's only in favor of such things when it's no longer inconvenient for him.

Regardless of how you see it, Manning appropriated of some sensitive information and exposed it to the public.

He didn't steal a fruit to feed himself. The repercussions of some of actions, couldn't be assessed after years. Like, if the info he gave out, could've endangered lives. 

And the analogy you made makes no sense cause upon death of a slave owner, law didn't allow the slaves to be free.



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I wonder if other people like Assange or Snowden will have their sentence commuted.

I'm not knowledgeable to make an opinion on it. For anyone who knows a lot about the subject, do you think Snowden and other people like Manning should be excused?



monocle_layton said:
I wonder if other people like Assange or Snowden will have their sentence commuted.

I'm not knowledgeable to make an opinion on it. For anyone who knows a lot about the subject, do you think Snowden and other people like Manning should be excused?

From now on, it depends on the will of Mr. Putin.



Goatseye said:
Johnw1104 said:

I would think it is obvious: What took him so long?

It's a duplicitous attempt to change the historical narrative regarding his approach to freedom of information... Perhaps it's just me, but a complete reversal of one's own policies during the last few hours of a final term seems both insincere and self-serving. His modus operandi of the past eight years cannot be undone by a single, contradictory act on his way out the door.

There's no reason Manning had to be in jail, Assange trapped in an embassy, and Snowden living in Russia were this reflective of Obama's true sentiments; rather, he's only in favor of such things when it's no longer inconvenient for him.

Regardless of how you see it, Manning appropriated of some sensitive information and exposed it to the public.

He didn't steal a fruit to feed himself. The repercussions of some of actions, couldn't be assessed after years. Like, if the info he gave out, could've endangered lives. 

And the analogy you made makes no sense cause upon death of a slave owner, law didn't allow the slaves to be free.

Like I said, I had no problem with the arrest of Manning. While the other two made an effort to verify their information and avoid releasing things that might put people in immediate danger, she handed everything over without thought; certainly the most reckless of the three. Personally, I don't think she should be rewarded for blind luck, and ought to remain in jail. It seems to me that he is being too easy on Manning while having also been unapologetically and unfairly hostile towards Assange and Snowden. What bothers me most is the clear reversal in policy on display here, and that people are buying it as being indicative of his true sentiments.

Otherwise, at various times throughout both American and World history it was often popular to have your slaves freed upon death as a final display of magnanimity. It became so common in Ancient Rome, for instance, that they actually had to put a cap on just how many could actually be freed.

The comparison is an apt one, as while it is better than nothing, it is silly to give "credit" to the slave owner who waits until he dies (or leaves office) before allowing his slaves to go free. If it is the right thing to do, one should do it immediately, not once it is no longer inconvenient to do so.



Johnw1104 said:
Goatseye said:

Regardless of how you see it, Manning appropriated of some sensitive information and exposed it to the public.

He didn't steal a fruit to feed himself. The repercussions of some of actions, couldn't be assessed after years. Like, if the info he gave out, could've endangered lives. 

And the analogy you made makes no sense cause upon death of a slave owner, law didn't allow the slaves to be free.

Like I said, I had no problem with the arrest of Manning. While the other two made an effort to verify their information and avoid releasing things that might put people in immediate danger, she handed everything over without thought; certainly the most reckless of the three. Personally, I don't think she should be rewarded for blind luck, and ought to remain in jail. It seems to me that he is being too easy on Manning while having also been unapologetically and unfairly hostile towards Assange and Snowden. What bothers me most is the clear reversal in policy on display here, and that people are buying it as being indicative of his true sentiments.

Otherwise, at various times throughout both American and World history it was often popular to have your slaves freed upon death as a final display of magnanimity. It became so common in Ancient Rome, for instance, that they actually had to put a cap on just how many could actually be freed.

The comparison is an apt one, as while it is better than nothing, it is silly to give "credit" to the slave owner who waits until he dies (or leaves office) before allowing his slaves to go free. If it is the right thing to do, one should do it immediately, not once it is no longer inconvenient to do so.

..."unapologetically and unfairly hostile towards Assange and Snowden"; that would be correct if Snowden and Assange were praying and all of a sudden they got framed.

If you're gonna fight for transparency, mind that you're not gonna be met with roses when you meddle in government business. Their business are not black and white. You're talking about secret files and unclassified sensitive files, even though they're not the most important documents, they're not something you get out of with a slap on the wrist.

Mind you that Republicans wanted their head on a stick. And I'm pretty sure the intelligence agencies were requesting harsh punishments for all the involved. It's not something a president would just get up and do it without some heavy consultation.



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That's nice. Bradley Manning shouldn't have been jailed for pointing out wrongdoings of the military.

But he also shouldn't have expected/still expect taxpayers to pay for his "sex change" surgery, either.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Obama did the right thing, slow clap.

I agree, but he also took his sweet ass time doing so.