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Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

You may have to look up again what "not tolerated" means. Remember when I posted a naked butt for 20 minutes and then censored it myself after seeing my mistake? I got an instant ban for that. That other guy thinks all Jews should be slaughtered, shows no remorse and just gets a slap on the wrist?

For the sake of consistency you may want to rethink that moderation decision. Here, I'll make it easier for you.

"I think all Nintendo fans should die" = 30 day ban

"I think all Jews should die and Hitler was an OK guy and I fully support him and everything the nazis did." = ???

I think you're blowing it a bit out of proportion there...

He never said he thought all Jews should be slaughtered or that he supports everything the nazis did. If he actually thought that then he wouldn't need to deny that the holocaust happened because he'd be proud of it or something. He's pretending the terrible stuff they did never happened in order to justify his support, rather than supporting them because of the terrible stuff they did.

By denying the holocaust he is trivializing and denying the suffering those people have gone through. That means he has absolutely no regard for them. You have to be a pretty heartless individual to willfully ignore a proven fact and treat it as a conspiracy.

He said he supported the start of the war which from the start was a war of aggression which means he thinks it's ok to just attack and kill other people to further your agenda.

There is a lot of hate in this individual and just because he tries to be as politically correct as he can be it doesn't mask his true thoughts and intentions. Sorry, I don't give benefits of doubts to holocaust deniers.



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RolStoppable said:
vivster said:

You may have to look up again what "not tolerated" means. Remember when I posted a naked butt for 20 minutes and then censored it myself after seeing my mistake? I got an instant ban for that. That other guy thinks all Jews should be slaughtered, shows no remorse and just gets a slap on the wrist?

For the sake of consistency you may want to rethink that moderation decision. Here, I'll make it easier for you.

"I think all Nintendo fans should die" = 30 day ban

"I think all Jews should die and Hitler was an OK guy and I fully support him and everything the nazis did." = ???

No, I don't remember that. I must have missed it.

But I do remember that you went to jail for posting the homophobic seal of disapproval.

12/03/14 13:34 Conegamer Ban Other (Taken from the OP: "Anything pornographic WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND WILL RESULT IN SEVERE MODERATION. NO NUDITY/PORN/HENTAI/H-MANGA or LINKING NUDITY/PORN/HENTAI/H-MANGA". We at the VGC Mod Team do appreciate your efforts to censor your image when your realized it was against the rules. That does not, however, excuse the fact that the image was initially against the rules, which in this instance are very black and white and where such infractions are treated very seriously indeed. For that reason you will be receiving a shorter ban, so be much more careful in future. )

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6884978

Apparently posting a slightly more naked picture in a thread that is already full of borderline softcore porn is a matter of black and white.

Endorsing and trivializing the killing of innocents is apparently not a black and white issue.



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First port of call, fix the ban screen and setup an email for ban appeals, give that email on the ban screen, simply saying "contact a mod to appeal" is useless if there's no way for a banned user to do so.



Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

By denying the holocaust he is trivializing and denying the suffering those people have gone through. That means he has absolutely no regard for them. You have to be a pretty heartless individual to willfully ignore a proven fact and treat it as a conspiracy.

He said he supported the start of the war which from the start was a war of aggression which means he thinks it's ok to just attack and kill other people to further your agenda.

There is a lot of hate in this individual and just because he tries to be as politically correct as he can be it doesn't mask his true thoughts and intentions. Sorry, I don't give benefits of doubts to holocaust deniers.

First part, can't disagree with that. Moderation was deserved and I'm certainly not arguing against that.

2nd part, I don't think supporting wars of aggression is even all that rare, at least not for the people that those wars serve to benefit anyway.

And finally, if he was trying to be politically correct I doubt he would have really made the thread in the first place. But regardless, making huge assumptions like that is still a bad idea. It would be as if you're one of those dirty cops that plants evidence on people because they "think" they're guilty. And what if you're wrong? Even if you end up being right about the guy it's still going to reflect poorly on you.

If I end up being wrong we have a holocaust denier who cannot spread his filth in this forum anymore. I'm willing to take that risk of being wrong.



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vivster said:

If I end up being wrong we have a holocaust denier who cannot spread his filth in this forum anymore. I'm willing to take that risk of being wrong.

Being the one that issued the warning, I don't disagree with your frustration. I find Holocaust denial to be one the most repugnant beliefs out there, for the reasons you've already stated. We considered a ban in this case at first, but chose against it based on (a) his clean history, and (b) his post being born out of ignorance rather than ill intent. Speaking personally, I dislike policing political opinions unless the user is openly spreading hate directly, and his posts had crossed the line just enough to be unacceptable. I can see how this can be subjective though, which is why it was also discussed as a group beforehand.

If that user continues to spread that sentiment here, he will be moderated more severely, as his warning didn't offer any wiggle room. Perhaps it's a weakness in the progressive moderation system, but I found it defensible in this case.



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vivster said:

"I think all Nintendo fans should die" = 30 day ban

"I think all Jews should die and Hitler was an OK guy and I fully support him and everything the nazis did." = ???

There's quite a few examples of certain things not being punished, you can brand all religious people as uneducated fools, no ban. Meanwhile make fun of a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE and you are fecked.

When you're more likely to get a ban for making fun of a bloody game then attacking a religion or religious people somethings wrong.



Barkley said:
vivster said:

"I think all Nintendo fans should die" = 30 day ban

"I think all Jews should die and Hitler was an OK guy and I fully support him and everything the nazis did." = ???

There's quite a few examples of certain things not being punished, you can brand all religious people as uneducated fools, no ban. Meanwhile make fun of a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE and you are fecked.

When you're more likely to get a ban for making fun of a bloody game then attacking a religion or religious people somethings wrong.

To be fair, at least consoles exist.



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Ryuu96 said:
NATO said:
First port of call, fix the ban screen and setup an email for ban appeals, give that email on the ban screen, simply saying "contact a mod to appeal" is useless if there's no way for a banned user to do so.

We likely won't be able to do any of that anytime soon

Yeah, expecting site staff to be able to do ultra-basic html is too much i guess.



I asked a while ago if someone edited a post of mine. Still no answer. Can someone get back to me?



RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:
I asked a while ago if someone edited a post of mine. Still no answer. Can someone get back to me?

It wasn't edited. You are Irish, that's all.

Prove it.  I'm Irish that is...