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Pemalite on 06 May 2020
RolStoppable said:
Does this mean a good chunk of the mod team recognizes that autonomy for individual mods is a good thing because it allows them to take the initiative, as opposed to "the process" that puts shackles on them?

There was deliberation in the mod chat that if his behavior continued/escalated despite warnings in that thread, that he will be moderated.
Jwein then noticed he didn't change his behavior and ignored warnings and thus correctly took decisive action that we had pre-agreed upon.

But then a review of the post in question meant that a more severe punishment was seen to be needed.

Taking the initiative is great, no doubt. But we also want to reduce the possibility of abuse, either way... The mod team is a team and we work as such with no issues.



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kirby007 on 06 May 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
Pemalite said:

There was deliberation in the mod chat that if his behavior continued/escalated despite warnings in that thread, that he will be moderated.
Jwein then noticed he didn't change his behavior and ignored warnings and thus correctly took decisive action that we had pre-agreed upon.

But then a review of the post in question meant that a more severe punishment was seen to be needed.

Taking the initiative is great, no doubt. But we also want to reduce the possibility of abuse, either way... The mod team is a team and we work as such with no issues.

But if bans can be decreased/reversed as well if they were deemed overly harsh by the rest of the team/head moderators then there wouldn't really be any possibility for abuse anyway?

no but its better to increase banlength instead of removing a ban



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JWeinCom on 06 May 2020
RolStoppable said:
Does this mean a good chunk of the mod team recognizes that autonomy for individual mods is a good thing because it allows them to take the initiative, as opposed to "the process" that puts shackles on them?


I don't really think this case is a matter of autonomy.  I'm sure if I perm'd him straight away it would have been accepted.  It was just a case of me wanting to be extra cautious. It was my first ban after all. 



Moren on 06 May 2020

By the way - I did not intend to come off as hostile. You did a great job JWein!



JWeinCom on 06 May 2020
Moren said:
By the way - I did not intend to come off as hostile. You did a great job JWein!

It's fine.  I think your reaction was reasonable considering what information you had at the time. Only thing I would have done differently in retrospect is explain in the moderator note that the length of the ban would be tba.  But, live and learn.

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kirby007 on 07 May 2020

i approve of wijn, not fully my taste but tolerable under the right conditions
regarding wein i now forever will hear him laugh as the million dollar man



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Hynad on 16 May 2020

While I dislike the guy and know his history of trolling and flaming Sony and its fan base, I don't think this post was made to troll, even if his view isn't the popular one, the points he made aren't completely devoid of sense or merit.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9150472

Such a lengthy ban over this, even with his history taken into account, is quite harsh and I feel it wasn't warranted.



kirby007 on 16 May 2020
Hynad said:
While I dislike the guy and know his history of trolling and flaming Sony and its fan base, I don't think this post was made to troll, even if his view isn't the popular one, the points he made aren't completely devoid of sense or merit.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9150472

Such a lengthy ban over this, even with his history taken into account, is quite harsh and I feel it wasn't warranted.

how about sales2066, is implying there is money involved trolling?



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JWeinCom on 17 May 2020
padib said:

Part of me doesn't want to help the mods on this one because I feel like whatever drove that ban was what I was worried about in the team in the first place: using herd mentality and the opinion of the greater number to determine justice rather than the actual content. Part of me wants to say something in hoping that the mod team shows some intention to change that tendency. I produced a report of posts which were much more insulting than the post by Pyro mentioned above. This is the question I asked earlier to the team but I never got a proper answer from the team. There is definitely something wrong here about how trolling is being judged overall. There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft. I see many negative comments or posts about Microsoft, often, with no action taken. It is important to judge all content objectively regardless of the amount of people who cry out against it. It is very important to maintain objectivity in this aspect in my humble opinion.

Something you have to keep in mind is that we don't read every post in every topic...  Even in a topic that mods have an eye on, we're not going to necessarily read every word of every post.  If something is reported then on that basis alone it's more likely that it's going to get moderated than something that goes unreported.  A post still has to violate rules.  It's not just like if x number of people report it it's definitely going to be a ban.  But if nobody reports a post, and a mod doesn't happen to catch it... well then that's definitely not going to be acted on for obvious reasons.  

I guess if one fanbase is either particularly vigilant or simply outnumbers the others than that could lead to unequal enforcement (I haven't been around long enough to know if this is an actual problem or just a theoretical one)... but the only answers I could think of is either to have mods read every single post... which is probably not going to happen, or alternatively to somehow limit the ability to report, which I'm not sure is technically feasible or a practical idea.  

If anyone has some ideas, go for it. 



Hynad on 17 May 2020
padib said:

There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft. 

You have got to be kidding.