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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And??? This isn't about whether or not a game is a month old or a decade old, this is about putting piracy into a topic that isn't about piracy... So what if say Zelda isn't a month old? I own a Switch, I own BoTW and hell yes I am also going to play it on my PC at 4k.

If people want to ban emulation threads for good then do it but lets not beat around at this nonsense... Either make piracy and emulation two seperate things or ban emulation all together.

And I don't see how emulation is violating that rule, it's not posting links or requests to copyrighted content... It even says you can feel free to defend and discuss piracy.

"I own a Switch, I own BoTW and hell yes I am also going to play it on my PC at 4k." congrats - and? Let's assume that 100% of people own the system and the game (something I would put at closer to 1%)

You think you have the right to put a game where the company didn't put it? You think people should be allowed to make money off using other peoples content?

"And I don't see how emulation is violating that rule, it's not posting links or requests to copyrighted content... I

Oh hey look a Link -> https://rpcs3.net/blog/2017/04/29/progress-report-april-2017/ What do you think the odds of that link having links to the copyrighted material its self?

"even says you can feel free to defend and discuss piracy." followed by "but don't use the forums as a means of sharing pirated content.""

IE linking to the pirated content. Linking to the website links to the content.

I gave it as an example since many people in this site does that which are interested in emulation but also support the devs.

Again, its not about whether or not it's in the legal gray area, its about a thread which isn't about piracy being switched to a conversation about piracy. 

Afaik, majority of the emulator sites do not link to a site where you can download pirated content nor do they provide the instructions on how to download the pirated content. So... Not very high?



                  

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Chazore on 30 April 2017
Captain_Yuri said:

Can we have a discussion about emulation and piracy for a bit because I feel like this is sorta getting out of hand. Every time someone has a thread about emulation, it more often than not leads to talk about piracy even though the OP has nothing to do with piracy. Some of us actually like playing certain games at higher resolution with better performance and mods believe it or not while supporting the devs...

The people in this site who generally are interested in emulation usually either own the system or own the game or both. Yea there is a legal gray area and blah blah blah but virtually everyone in this site knows that. Does every single emulation thread have to result in piracy talk? Because imo, that should be considered off-topic if the OP has nothing to do with piracy... If people want to discuss emulation and piracy, they should make their own thread imo.

Case and Point:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228119

Yeah I think this needs to be solved here and now. I'm hoenstly egtting fed up with seeing the same faces that pop up with nothing to add to the topic, than to simply call a group "pirates". It adds nothing of value and it solves nothing, it just makes said people feel good about themselves in labelling another person/group.

 

I've noticed that whenever a thread that's PC related is out there, it tends to die because there isn't much focus and a good chunk on here don't care (not for half of what I post anyway) for said topics anyway, but when a topic on the subject of emulation is raised, people who aren't remotely interested/don't like PC related topics, suddenly decide to jump right into the thread, rready and willing to label the group who are into emulation/presenting some evidence of progress. This needs to stop.


The last thing we need is threads with actual discussion, getting derailed for something else entirely, especially when it's not even related to the thread at all. We have rules against derailment, the same should apply to those willing to waste time and label people as pirates in an emulation thread. They fofer nothing to the table of discussion no matter how hard you try to spin it. The subject is not even remotely about piracy, but the progress of emulation itself. If you try to forefully inject piracy discussion into the progressive talks of emulation, then you're basically trying to validate your reason for wanting to dismantle the thread and steer it off course. 



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I gave it as an example since many people in this site does that which are interested in emulation but also support the devs.

Again, its not about whether or not it's in the legal gray area, its about a thread which isn't about piracy being switched to a conversation about piracy. 

Afaik, majority of the emulator sites do not link to a site where you can download pirated content nor do they provide the instructions on how to download the pirated content. So... Not very high?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-03-the-most-pirated-pc-wii-360-games-of-2011

"The most pirated Wii game was Super Mario Galaxy 2, with 1.28 million downloads. Mario Sports Mix (1.09 million downloads), Xenoblade Chronicles (950,000 downloads), Lego Pirates of the Caribbean (870,000 downloads) and FIFA 12 (860,000) rounded out the top five most pirated Wii games list"

Seems fairly high..

Errr what?

I said "Not very high?" in response to "Oh hey look a Link -> https://rpcs3.net/blog/2017/04/29/progress-report-april-2017/ What do you think the odds of that link having links to the copyrighted material its self?"



                  

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VGPolyglot on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I gave it as an example since many people in this site does that which are interested in emulation but also support the devs.

Again, its not about whether or not it's in the legal gray area, its about a thread which isn't about piracy being switched to a conversation about piracy. 

Afaik, majority of the emulator sites do not link to a site where you can download pirated content nor do they provide the instructions on how to download the pirated content. So... Not very high?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-03-the-most-pirated-pc-wii-360-games-of-2011

"The most pirated Wii game was Super Mario Galaxy 2, with 1.28 million downloads. Mario Sports Mix (1.09 million downloads), Xenoblade Chronicles (950,000 downloads), Lego Pirates of the Caribbean (870,000 downloads) and FIFA 12 (860,000) rounded out the top five most pirated Wii games list"

Seems fairly high..

And how many of those were lost sales? I don't know if there's ever been a detailed study on that.



VGPolyglot on 30 April 2017
BasilZero said:
Bandorr said:

"I own a Switch, I own BoTW and hell yes I am also going to play it on my PC at 4k." congrats - and? Let's assume that 100% of people own the system and the game (something I would put at closer to 1%)

You think you have the right to put a game where the company didn't put it? You think people should be allowed to make money off using other peoples content?

"And I don't see how emulation is violating that rule, it's not posting links or requests to copyrighted content... I

Oh hey look a Link -> https://rpcs3.net/blog/2017/04/29/progress-report-april-2017/ What do you think the odds of that link having links to the copyrighted material its self?

"even says you can feel free to defend and discuss piracy." followed by "but don't use the forums as a means of sharing pirated content.""

IE linking to the pirated content. Linking to the website links to the content.

 

Emulators arent illegal and if they are, then the companies would have done something to do stop these emu developers long before they would have been released to the public. Infact, one company did and guess what, they lost the case because the courts deemed it not illegal.

 

There are no game files in the link you provided (which are the actual pirated content) so the site you linked to isnt a piracy site.

Well, Sony's tried to sue them in the past, and were unsuccessful a few times. Emulators themselves are legal, it's the BIOS and the games that are the grey area.



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VGPolyglot on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
VGPolyglot said:

And how many of those were lost sales? I don't know if there's ever been a detailed study on that.

I have no clue, I got that link from Svennoj.  Is there a percentage you would find actually acceptable?

Even if it were 100%, Nintendo's still making more money they'll ever need, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Errr what?

I said "Not very high?" in response to "Oh hey look a Link -> https://rpcs3.net/blog/2017/04/29/progress-report-april-2017/ What do you think the odds of that link having links to the copyrighted material its self?"

Oh, I was confused since I already told you it was 100%.

That link - links to the pirated content and how to compile it.

Think about all these "emulation threads" How will the threads evolve and change? You don't think those threads will link to the websites hosting theseg games? You actually think these websites won't have links to their own work?

When people are talking about the final product - they will link to it.

How does it link to pirated content?

And yes, I don't think emulator sites will ever link to pirated content because from an developer of the emulator's point of view, linking to piracy sites means that any legal gray area ground they may hold goes down the toilet. The entire reason why emulation continues to exist is due to the developers staying in the gray area of preservation and other "non-piracy" stuff. If the developers of the emulator has links to the pirated content, then they hold no legal ground and companies can easily sue them or take them down. Developers gain nothing by linking to piracy sites which have pirated content because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to take 5 seconds to Google and find out how to pirate certain games. But that applies to PC gaming in general since it also doesn't take very long to pirate most games on PC. Tales of Berseria for example was on piracy sites the day it was released.

But again, the point is that the emulator sites should not have links to piracy sites because the only ground the developers of those emulators hold is in the legal gray area and linking to piracy sites basically shows what their intention is.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

How does it link to pirated content?

And yes, I don't think emulator sites will ever link to pirated content because from an developer of the emulator's point of view, linking to piracy sites means that any legal gray area ground they may hold goes down the toilet. The entire reason why emulation continues to exist is due to the developers staying in the gray area of preservation and other "non-piracy" stuff. If the developers of the emulator has links to the pirated content, then they hold no legal ground and companies can easily sue them or take them down. Developers gain nothing by linking to piracy sites which have pirated content because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to take 5 seconds to Google and find out how to pirate certain games. But that applies to PC gaming in general since it also doesn't take very long to pirate most games on PC. Tales of Berseria for example was on piracy sites the day it was released.

But again, the point is that the emulator sites should not have links to piracy sites because the only ground the developers of those emulators hold is in the legal gray area and linking to piracy sites basically shows what their intention is.

You can follow that link to the code tha you can compile to play the game. It is literally linking to copyrighted material.  Even with instructions on how to compile it and everything.

https://github.com/RPCS3/rpcs3#building

https://github.com/RPCS3/rpcs3/tree/master/rpcs3-tests

It is linking to both the emulator AND the files. Even instructions.

"git clone https://github.com/RPCS3/rpcs3.git

  1. cd rpcs3/
  2. git submodule update --init
  3. cmake CMakeLists.txt && make GitVersion && make
  4. Run RPCS3 with ./bin/rpcs3"

But that's not pirated content... If it was... It would have been taken down by Sony... It's in the gray area at best...



                  

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VGPolyglot on 30 April 2017

Here's a great video on the history of Sony's battles with emulators:



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

But that's not pirated content... If it was... It would have been taken down by Sony... It's in the gray area at best...

How would that be persona 5.. but not be pirated content? They must at least be using the persona 5 assets to be making an emulation of it right?

Do the assets themselves not count as pirated content?

Nintendo didn't shut down fan made pokemon games until they got wide spread press. That is content created by people that are only "using" the assets.

Is using the assets to create a new game worse than allowing people to actually copy and play your game?

Huh???

You do know that what you linked to is the code for the emulator and not the game right??? All the emulator is, is a program that allows you to run the game. You need to get the game by yourself whether by buying it or downloading it via piracy sites or other methods.



                  

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