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KrspaceT on 01 January 2017
nuckles87 said:
Pavolink said:

The third version won't sell the same as Sun/Moon. Betting all the holiday season with a thirs version is a mistake.

Here is something you keep overlooking, though: this isn't JUST a third version. This is a full, traditional Pokémon game on a CONSOLE, that can be played on an HD television. This is going to be a pretty big selling point that past third versions haven't had. Heck, no full Pokémon game has had this. And while it may not sell as well as Sun and Moon, it can certainly cell as well as Zelda and 3D Mario. Heck, Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum have all sold about as well or better than the best selling Zelda titles.

Before anyone mentions COlloseum or XD, they were rather odd games. Good games, but not quite mainlinePokemon. 

May the Switch may have them on VC linked to the PK Bank.



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nuckles87 on 01 January 2017
KrspaceT said:
nuckles87 said:

Here is something you keep overlooking, though: this isn't JUST a third version. This is a full, traditional Pokémon game on a CONSOLE, that can be played on an HD television. This is going to be a pretty big selling point that past third versions haven't had. Heck, no full Pokémon game has had this. And while it may not sell as well as Sun and Moon, it can certainly cell as well as Zelda and 3D Mario. Heck, Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum have all sold about as well or better than the best selling Zelda titles.

Before anyone mentions COlloseum or XD, they were rather odd games. Good games, but not quite mainlinePokemon. 

May the Switch may have them on VC linked to the PK Bank.

They'd best not count them. The closest we ever got was Gale of Darkness, which was also a far cry from a full Pokémon title and received mediocre review scores as a result. A full Pokémon game on a home console, launched after the Pokémon craze has been resurrected, is going to be huge. Not Sun and Moon huge, but still pretty big.

But I personally want Pokémon in the summer or fall, and something else for Nintendo's big holiday title. Nintendo needs the year's biggest guns at launch, so they absolutely need 3D Mario there. Zelda would also be great to have, since it's a different kind of game that can draw in older gamers, but I do worry a bit about Nintendo blowing its big guns at launch. 



Pavolink on 01 January 2017
Pavolink said:
KrspaceT said:

A game that sellings over 5 million lifetime is pretty good for a Nintendo excluisive It certainly would do a better job than Metroid or F-Zero

But not a better job than a 3D Mario. Even less when you factor a lot of the audience bought recently a 3DS and they are not going to buy another console soon.

 

This is about different audiences.

 

nuckles87 said:
Pavolink said:

The third version won't sell the same as Sun/Moon. Betting all the holiday season with a thirs version is a mistake.

Here is something you keep overlooking, though: this isn't JUST a third version. This is a full, traditional Pokémon game on a CONSOLE, that can be played on an HD television. This is going to be a pretty big selling point that past third versions haven't had. Heck, no full Pokémon game has had this. And while it may not sell as well as Sun and Moon, it can certainly cell as well as Zelda and 3D Mario. Heck, Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum have all sold about as well or better than the best selling Zelda titles.

Pokemon audience is already busy.



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nuckles87 on 01 January 2017
Pavolink said:
Pavolink said:

But not a better job than a 3D Mario. Even less when you factor a lot of the audience bought recently a 3DS and they are not going to buy another console soon.

 

This is about different audiences.

 

nuckles87 said:

Here is something you keep overlooking, though: this isn't JUST a third version. This is a full, traditional Pokémon game on a CONSOLE, that can be played on an HD television. This is going to be a pretty big selling point that past third versions haven't had. Heck, no full Pokémon game has had this. And while it may not sell as well as Sun and Moon, it can certainly cell as well as Zelda and 3D Mario. Heck, Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum have all sold about as well or better than the best selling Zelda titles.

Pokemon audience is already busy.

Well, I mean, I'm sure they will have free time a year from now.



Pavolink on 01 January 2017
nuckles87 said:
Pavolink said:

 

Pokemon audience is already busy.

Well, I mean, I'm sure they will have free time a year from now.

And they won't be as thirsty as Zelda and 3D Mario audience a year from now.



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nuckles87 on 01 January 2017
Pavolink said:
nuckles87 said:

Well, I mean, I'm sure they will have free time a year from now.

And they won't be as thirsty as Zelda and 3D Mario audience a year from now.

I would not know about that. Again, all past third versions have sold from 6-7 million units, which is puts the equal to or greater than even the best selling Zelda titles. That is also past plenty of 3D Mario titles, including the most recent one. And that isn't even counting Pokémon Yellow, which blew all the 3D Marios away at 14 million by virtue of letting you start Red/Blue with a Pikachu.

And it's not as if Pokémon fans have some aversion the annual releases, either. Black and White 2, X and Y, and OR/AS were all released in a three year span, and they sold 8.52, 15.64, and 13.18 million respectively. Those last two did better than any 3D Mario. 

So look, if what you say is true about Mario being  bigger draw than a Pokémon game, than that's all the more reason to launch Switch with it. As I see it, Nintendo ought to launch it with their biggest gun, and in March Mario IS that title.



Pavolink on 01 January 2017
nuckles87 said:
Pavolink said:

And they won't be as thirsty as Zelda and 3D Mario audience a year from now.

I would not know about that. Again, all past third versions have sold from 6-7 million units, which is puts the equal to or greater than even the best selling Zelda titles. That is also past plenty of 3D Mario titles, including the most recent one. And that isn't even counting Pokémon Yellow, which blew all the 3D Marios away at 14 million by virtue of letting you start Red/Blue with a Pikachu.

And it's not as if Pokémon fans have some aversion the annual releases, either. Black and White 2, X and Y, and OR/AS were all released in a three year span, and they sold 8.52, 15.64, and 13.18 million respectively. Those last two did better than any 3D Mario. 

So look, if what you say is true about Mario being  bigger draw than a Pokémon game, than that's all the more reason to launch Switch with it. As I see it, Nintendo ought to launch it with their biggest gun, and in March Mario IS that title.

No. Again. You are missing the point. The Pokemon audience is already busy. They are not going in a rush to buy the Switch unlike the Zelda and 3D Mario. Missing a third version is nothing important as they already bought the main games.



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nuckles87 on 02 January 2017
Pavolink said:
nuckles87 said:

I would not know about that. Again, all past third versions have sold from 6-7 million units, which is puts the equal to or greater than even the best selling Zelda titles. That is also past plenty of 3D Mario titles, including the most recent one. And that isn't even counting Pokémon Yellow, which blew all the 3D Marios away at 14 million by virtue of letting you start Red/Blue with a Pikachu.

And it's not as if Pokémon fans have some aversion the annual releases, either. Black and White 2, X and Y, and OR/AS were all released in a three year span, and they sold 8.52, 15.64, and 13.18 million respectively. Those last two did better than any 3D Mario. 

So look, if what you say is true about Mario being  bigger draw than a Pokémon game, than that's all the more reason to launch Switch with it. As I see it, Nintendo ought to launch it with their biggest gun, and in March Mario IS that title.

No. Again. You are missing the point. The Pokemon audience is already busy. They are not going in a rush to buy the Switch unlike the Zelda and 3D Mario. Missing a third version is nothing important as they already bought the main games.

Well then, I guess i am not so much missing the point as I am ignoring it, because I know you can't offer me much in the way of proof that 8 million Pokémon fans won't go out and buy a Switch to play HD Pokémon on an HD console, and I can't offer any to say that they will. But I can at least demonstrate that Pokémon fans tend to be devoted enough to buy third versions and annualized releases in massive numbers, and overall represent a much bigger fan base then 3D Mario or Zelda. True, they've never had to buy a new system for that third version before, but that third version has also never been an HD game on a home console before. So who is to say they won't? We are in uncharted territory here as far as Pokémon goes, but the lowest ANY mainline Pokémon title has ever sold is six million. That would be a heck of a precendent for Switch to break, especially in the wake of Pokémon GO.

But here is the thing: I don't even want Pokémon to be the Switch's big holiday title anyway. Nor do I want it to be Mario. Or Zelda. Mario needs to be a launch title. Zelda needs to be out by the summer, if not also a launch title. Pokémon needs to be out by the fall, if not the summer. Honestly, I don't even care about what they have planned for the holidays, because as I see it, jump starting the system's sales with evergreen titles that will bring huge demand early and keep on selling long after launch is paramount, and way more important than a big holiday title. Because nothing will kill the Switch quicker then slow sales at or soon after launch.



Pavolink on 02 January 2017
nuckles87 said:
Pavolink said:

No. Again. You are missing the point. The Pokemon audience is already busy. They are not going in a rush to buy the Switch unlike the Zelda and 3D Mario. Missing a third version is nothing important as they already bought the main games.

Well then, I guess i am not so much missing the point as I am ignoring it, because I know you can't offer me much in the way of proof that 8 million Pokémon fans won't go out and buy a Switch to play HD Pokémon on an HD console, and I can't offer any to say that they will. But I can at least demonstrate that Pokémon fans tend to be devoted enough to buy third versions and annualized releases in massive numbers, and overall represent a much bigger fan base then 3D Mario or Zelda. True, they've never had to buy a new system for that third version before, but that third version has also never been an HD game on a home console before. So who is to say they won't? We are in uncharted territory here as far as Pokémon goes, but the lowest ANY mainline Pokémon title has ever sold is six million. That would be a heck of a precendent for Switch to break, especially in the wake of Pokémon GO.

But here is the thing: I don't even want Pokémon to be the Switch's big holiday title anyway. Nor do I want it to be Mario. Or Zelda. Mario needs to be a launch title. Zelda needs to be out by the summer, if not also a launch title. Pokémon needs to be out by the fall, if not the summer. Honestly, I don't even care about what they have planned for the holidays, because as I see it, jump starting the system's sales with evergreen titles that will bring huge demand early and keep on selling long after launch is paramount, and way more important than a big holiday title. Because nothing will kill the Switch quicker then slow sales at or soon after launch.

You are ignoring it because you don't understand audiences. You don't understand evergreen titles.

 

Zelda: Launch.

Because - hype. Nothing comes close in terms of hype and they need hype to sell consoles.

 

3D Mario: Holiday.

Because: It is the next big franchise in the hype list.

 

Pokemon: Summer.

Because: Pokemon audience is not going to buy a new console just for a third version. This is more like an incentive for the existing userbase.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 02 January 2017
Pavolink said:

Because: I say so! 

That's basically what your post comes down to. It's fine though, soon you may see that Stars isn't "just" a third version, and eventually that the Pokemon fanbase is far more dedicated than you realize. After Stars outsells both Zelda and Mario, we'll be looking back at this and having a laugh over it.