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asqarkabab on 24 December 2016
palou said:
asqarkabab said:

Read some historical Books like flavius josephus and some folks that lived at the time of the romans and you will see the jews are the original inhabitants of Palestine 

There is no Palestinians because they are the offshots of arab conguers and beduins not more

You think that a 2000 year old claim still holds? Then pretty much the whole american population can go right back to Europe. There were people living in Palestine before the Jews, by the way. The bible actually talks about the wars that conquered the land. 

Because God promised them the lands of Kanaan and they became it and it was legitimated by God himself

You mentioned the americas it was the colonial powers that used the religious card to legitimate their conquests and that was false 



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palou on 24 December 2016
asqarkabab said:
palou said:

You think that a 2000 year old claim still holds? Then pretty much the whole american population can go right back to Europe. There were people living in Palestine before the Jews, by the way. The bible actually talks about the wars that conquered the land. 

Because God promised them the lands of Kanaan and they became it and it was legitimated by God himself

You mentioned the americas it was the colonial powers that used the religious card to legitimate their conquests and that was false 

So you actually support evacutaing the Americas?

It's pathetic to use Religion to justify selective morality. If both people follow the same one, maybe, but saying it's fine if you expulse another people because «your god said so» is the same mentality of Jihadists. 



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asqarkabab on 24 December 2016
palou said:
asqarkabab said:

Because God promised them the lands of Kanaan and they became it and it was legitimated by God himself

You mentioned the americas it was the colonial powers that used the religious card to legitimate their conquests and that was false 

So you actually support evacutaing the Americas?

It's pathetic to use Religion to justify selective morality. If both people follow the same one, maybe, but saying it's fine if you expulse another people because «your god said so» is the same mentality of Jihadists. 

No im not supporting this idea

Im not religious btw 

The jews say that the lands of palestine was given to them by God 

It was Gods will and that was in the past like the conguest of the americas we have to look what will happen in the future

The mistakes of our forefathers has nothing to do with us 



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palou on 24 December 2016
asqarkabab said:
palou said:

So you actually support evacutaing the Americas?

It's pathetic to use Religion to justify selective morality. If both people follow the same one, maybe, but saying it's fine if you expulse another people because «your god said so» is the same mentality of Jihadists. 

 

The mistakes of our forefathers has nothing to do with us 

The claims they had also fall off after a while. In all the history that matters (I'd say, 100 years or so, to kill off 1 generation completely), the land was owned by Palestinians. 

Putting Religion in an argument between two folks with different interpretations on religion is basis for catastrophe. You can never use religion to justify actions upon others - this is, as said, the rhetoric of a jihadist (even if slightly more civilised): it's okay to ignore logical morality because my god said I should do this.



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asqarkabab on 24 December 2016
palou said:
asqarkabab said:

 

The mistakes of our forefathers has nothing to do with us 

The claims they had also fall off after a while. In all the history that matters (I'd say, 100 years or so, to kill off 1 generation completely), the land was owned by Palestinians. 

Putting Religion in an argument between two folks with different interpretations on religion is basis for catastrophe. You can never use religion to justify actions upon others - this is, as said, the rhetoric of a jihadist (even if slightly more civilised): it's okay to ignore logical morality because my god said I should do this.

100 years ago this land were owned by the ottoman empire 

So by youre logic the turks are the owners of this land

 



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Eagle367 on 24 December 2016
bonzobanana said:
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The only reason israel is a raree gem in its area is because the US  supports it while simultaneously destroying all of the other middle eastern nations. Just look at what USA has done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and others. The 'rebels' USA supports are the founders of Daesh. And the rebels that USA still supports are not much better than daesh. In Afghanistan USA created Taliban to fight Russia and now look what happened.

That makes little sense at all. Destroying all the middle eastern nations? You've stated their purpose yourself which is to fight and remove russian influence in the past and certainly they are no enemy of Saudi Arabia despite the huge human right's issues there and the use of Sharia law. I don't think the situation can be quickly summarised in a few lines. 

Islam is not a religion that believes in all people being equal and islamic countries are rarely democratic. They have had a huge number of wars and issues between each other before you start trying to blame the US or Europe for their problems. A religion that doesn't embrace equality and is fractured into multiple types that try to make their chosen path dominent over other sects. I'm not saying I agree with US, UK or European middle east policies but most of the middle east's problems are internal. Remember most muslims killed in war are killed by other muslims and many muslim countries are the worst offenders for the use of torture and a failing and biased legal system where many innocent people are executed. I just feel the actions of muslims themselves are far more questionable than US policy with its occasional excursions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy

The region has gotten worse in the 20th and 21st century. If the religion was all bad then we wouldn't have had an age of learning and scientific advances a few centuries after its creation. While Europe was in its dark ages, the middle east was a hub of advancement and opportunity. I agree that sectarianism has ruined Islam and sects themselves are more modern issues since there used to be only one religion at the beginning. Even the women of previous times in islamic areas had more rights then now. It got worse for the middle east and the USA was no help for making it any better. On top of that The Great Game in the middle east is a problem. The problems are not only internal but external as well. Real help would be dismantling daesh and leaving the region but USA supports those damn rebels and russia supports the government and they are playing with people's lives for their own games. A nation is sovereign and has the right to work out its own problems. Let that happen for the middle eastern nations. Right now the major countries including USA and Rssia are not doing that that is why the problem is escalating instead of getting better. The middle east has seen better days and I hope it does again but I also hope than Palestenians finally get some peace and get better as well.



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Eagle367 on 24 December 2016
asqarkabab said:
Eagle367 said:

There is a difference between conquest and genocide. What you are talking about happened in the span of thousands of years while what's happening here is only post world war 2. That means in just a little more than half a century, all the jews that escaped Europe from hitler and found asylum in Palestine have destroyed and slaughtered almost all the people that gave them asylum during their time of need. If nothing is done to stop the israelis then palestenians will become an extinct race of people with  not one palestenian alive. Tell me how this is anything similar to thousands of years of change? If you compare the time between now and the time you are talking about then in that time the world landscape changed drastically. Christianity was born and thrived. Islam came. Two world wars fought, new nations formed, empires rose and fell, america was discovered. The difference between that time and this time is over 20 generations of humans being born and thne dying. This takeover by israel happened in two and at most three generations of humans. If you compare that with America then you should give it back to the natives of the continent and Canada as well. Australia should be given back to its natives, etc. If you are in support of the genocide of the palestenians then so be it but don't try to justify what israel does.

If they ever get a state theyre unable to hold it see the differences between hamas and fattah 

You have to live with them to see how they are 

I see them every day here in germany they are mostly criminals and drug dealers they are not capable to have their on country

Seriously? Your statements are deplorable. You are putting all people form one place into one category just because you saw some bad people that happen to be well... bad. SO just because some germans or indians are rapists and those are the ones I have seen does that mean I should consider all germans and Indiands rapists? Absolutely not. There are bad apples in every nation, region and religion. It does not mean all of them are bad. The Palestenians deserve better. Also remember that Palestine gave shelter to fleeing jews. Is that bad in your book? Then those jews toppled the entire nation and build their own country? It's akin to taking shelter in my house and then taking over the entire house and giving me only the closet. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.



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asqarkabab on 24 December 2016
Eagle367 said:
asqarkabab said:

If they ever get a state theyre unable to hold it see the differences between hamas and fattah 

You have to live with them to see how they are 

I see them every day here in germany they are mostly criminals and drug dealers they are not capable to have their on country

Seriously? Your statements are deplorable. You are putting all people form one place into one category just because you saw some bad people that happen to be well... bad. SO just because some germans or indians are rapists and those are the ones I have seen does that mean I should consider all germans and Indiands rapists? Absolutely not. There are bad apples in every nation, region and religion. It does not mean all of them are bad. The Palestenians deserve better. Also remember that Palestine gave shelter to fleeing jews. Is that bad in your book? Then those jews toppled the entire nation and build their own country? It's akin to taking shelter in my house and then taking over the entire house and giving me only the closet. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.

Have you heard that the palestinians sold their lands to the jews ?



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Eagle367 on 24 December 2016
asqarkabab said:
palou said:

The claims they had also fall off after a while. In all the history that matters (I'd say, 100 years or so, to kill off 1 generation completely), the land was owned by Palestinians. 

Putting Religion in an argument between two folks with different interpretations on religion is basis for catastrophe. You can never use religion to justify actions upon others - this is, as said, the rhetoric of a jihadist (even if slightly more civilised): it's okay to ignore logical morality because my god said I should do this.

100 years ago this land were owned by the ottoman empire 

So by youre logic the turks are the owners of this land

 

The israelis killed almost all the palestenians. That is straight up genocide. Genocide. Genocide. It's Genocide



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asqarkabab on 24 December 2016
Eagle367 said:
asqarkabab said:

100 years ago this land were owned by the ottoman empire 

So by youre logic the turks are the owners of this land

 

The israelis killed almost all the palestenians. That is straight up genocide. Genocide. Genocide. It's Genocide

Was the Holocaust no genocide ?

The jews defended themselves in the wars the arabs initiated against them and in wars people die



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