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VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016

I really liked the first game, as hard as it was, but I never played any of the other games (I had The Tides of Time for the Sega CD but the console didn't work so I never played it), so I wonder what they'll do with a possible sequel.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 December 2016

I never cared for the Genesis games, but I've been curious to revisit the 3D game on Dreamcast and PS2.



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snyps on 17 December 2016

Interesting. I liked the Dreamcast game and underwater themes are sorely under used.



Xxain on 17 December 2016

The lawsuit was just pettyness. He only did it because the spiritual successor failed to get anywhere and he felt it was because he could not attach the source material to it the way MN9 and Bloodstained had.



pray4mojo on 17 December 2016

Ecco 1 was great, Ecco 2 was even better. Defender of the Future on Dreamcast was great as well. This guy makes great games. I hope if he brings it back, he teams up with the original composer because he was brilliant.



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Xxain on 17 December 2016
shikamaru317 said:
Xxain said:
The lawsuit was just pettyness. He only did it because the spiritual successor failed to get anywhere and he felt it was because he could not attach the source material to it the way MN9 and Bloodstained had.

I disagree, there is nothing petty about it. He has pitched new Ecco games to Sega plenty of times over the years and every time they've shot him down. I love Sega, but let's be honest, they have a bad habit of just sitting on great IP's while they waste away. The Kickstarter failed because without the name, barely any gaming journalists covered the Kickstarter; it got next to no publicity, which is crucial for Kickstarter success. Ed winning the IP back from Sega is the best hope we have of actually seeing a new Ecco game, so I hope he managed to win. 

What are you disagreeing with? You just said everything I said, minus SEGA sitting on IP's.



Xxain on 17 December 2016
shikamaru317 said:
Xxain said:

What are you disagreeing with? You just said everything I said, minus SEGA sitting on IP's.

Sorry, I thought you were saying that Ed was being petty by suing Sega for the rights to the IP he created. If that's not what you meant, then I apologize. 

That is my point.

You disagree but you didn't say why he's not being petty. He did it after the KS failed.If it was successful this would not even be a thing. It's like a plan C because plan B, The Little Blue, didn't happen either. He may have created Ecco but it was all funded, marketed and distributed by SEGA. They own the rights and you know better than that.



Xxain on 17 December 2016
shikamaru317 said:
Xxain said:

That is my point.

You disagree but you didn't say why he's not being petty. He did it after the KS failed.If it was successful this would not even be a thing. It's like a plan C because plan B, The Little Blue, didn't happen either. He may have created Ecco but it was all funded, marketed and distributed by SEGA. They own the rights and you know better than that.

He asked them to use the Ecco name on the Kickstarter and they refused, so he did it as a new IP and it failed because people didn't have the name to associate with the project. The Kickstater would have succeeded if it had the Ecco name, Ecco and Toejam & Earl were both about equally popular back in the day and the Toejam & Earl Kickstarter succeeded with about the same budget that Ed was looking for The Little Blue. He sued Sega because it was the last avenue available to him, he exhausted every other option to try and give fans a new Ecco game. If he had sued them years ago, then he could be called petty, but he didn't. He pitched like 6 different Ecco ideas to Sega and they refused them all, he asked them to let him use the Ecco name to Kickstart a new game and they still refused despite their being no financial risk to them. I love Sega, but they are the ones being petty about this, not Ed. They're just sitting on the IP like so many others, while it wastes away.

Shika, you keep doing this. I just said that.  SEGA, just like many Japanese developers, sit on multiple IP. They can do that because its their's no matter how much it sucks for us, but it doesn't mean that somebody else becomes entitled to it. If you had a PS4 you never used, or a car you dont drive it doesnt mean your neighbor is entitled to take it  from your home does it?



mountaindewslave on 17 December 2016

dolphins are cool so bring it on

the original first two games were pretty solid, although took some getting used to. They get deathly hard though towards the end IMO. If anyone's bored look up Ecco being speedrun, kind of crazy to watch as it runs really fast movement wise



Nem on 17 December 2016
Xxain said:
shikamaru317 said:

He asked them to use the Ecco name on the Kickstarter and they refused, so he did it as a new IP and it failed because people didn't have the name to associate with the project. The Kickstater would have succeeded if it had the Ecco name, Ecco and Toejam & Earl were both about equally popular back in the day and the Toejam & Earl Kickstarter succeeded with about the same budget that Ed was looking for The Little Blue. He sued Sega because it was the last avenue available to him, he exhausted every other option to try and give fans a new Ecco game. If he had sued them years ago, then he could be called petty, but he didn't. He pitched like 6 different Ecco ideas to Sega and they refused them all, he asked them to let him use the Ecco name to Kickstart a new game and they still refused despite their being no financial risk to them. I love Sega, but they are the ones being petty about this, not Ed. They're just sitting on the IP like so many others, while it wastes away.

Shika, you keep doing this. I just said that.  SEGA, just like many Japanese developers, sit on multiple IP. They can do that because its their's no matter how much it sucks for us, but it doesn't mean that somebody else becomes entitled to it. If you had a PS4 you never used, or a car you dont drive it doesnt mean your neighbor is entitled to take it  from your home does it?

You talk about it like you know the deal behind it. You don't, so you can't possibly know what you are saying.

You are calling him petty, but to me it sounds like SEGA was beeing petty by not letting him use an IP they don't have any plans for. They did give the IP to Yu suzuki to make Shenmue 3. So, there was obviously a difference of treatment there.