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What are you for the most part?

Social Conservative 2 3.92%
 
Sovial Liberal 14 27.45%
 
Fiscal Conservative 6 11.76%
 
Fiscal Liberal 3 5.88%
 
Libertarian (every state ... 10 19.61%
 
Moderate in all things 16 31.37%
 
Total:51
VGPolyglot said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I'm a Communist, so I don't really fit in your poll it seems ;)

What are you in particular? I'm personally lean anarchist.

I know Communism is kind of an umbrella term. My personal vieuws would best be summed up as a mix of Guild Socialism, Marxism-Lenininsm and Libertarian Socialism. Looks eccletic, but it's  what I stand for :)



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snyps said:
Chris Hu said:

What's wrong with being progressive I guess you like child labor, slave wages, no benefits, no overtime pay, massive pollution, unsave working contitions etc. etc.

There is plenty wrong with Progressivism. For an example, let's use the war on drugs. Prohibition is a veil that obscures the truth about loneliness and escapism that people suffer and places them into more suffering. for the sake of "Progress" that is never acheived. What is acheived is private prisons and increased tax revenue to fuel the transition to a classist police state. 

 

These politicians don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a FUCK about you! What ever their veil may be.. it is so they can gain power. That is Progressivism. You don't want Child Labor? Don't buy from China. Is that too much to ask? Do you buy from China and claim to be a Progressive? Well there's the problem. No polititian is going to get rid of hypocrits. You got to do it yourself

 

Please don't make guesses about me in the future.

Actually the majority of child labor occurs in agriculture. 80% of child laborers work in agriculture.  There are a lot more coutries that are much worse offenders then China when it comes to child labor.  Also the war on drugs was started by Nixon and last time I checked Nixon wasn't a progressive.  Plus progressives aren't pro private prisons and police states.



VGPolyglot said:
Aura7541 said:
I consider myself a classical liberal. I support social liberalism, but I lean fiscal conservative. I support an open capitalist market though not in an anarchocapitalist sense. The government should act like a referee, making sure monopolies are broken up and punish companies that break the law. Freedom of speech is extremely important, though calls for acts of violence aren't acceptable. Be as offensive as you want, but don't go telling people to kill a group of people. Lastly, I'm pro-individualism and anti-collectivism. I dislike the identity politics of both the left and right.

Why would the government act like a referee, when they are the rich ones? The United States government was founded by rich slave-owners who wanted to protect their property and who wouldn't let women vote while also getting into wars with natives and forcing them out of their homelands.

Corporatism. Rich companies have too much influence in politics and as a result, politicians do not represent their constituents. So the problem has less to do with government, but the relationship between corporations and government. I should've mentioned that I am anti-corporatism earlier.



MTZehvor said:
I think the poll options should be changed to "Fiscal and Social Conservative, Fiscal and Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberal, etc." We're only answering for half the equation as it stands currently, unless you choose the Libertarian or Moderate options.

Anyway, on topic, I'm pretty all over the place. I definitely lean libertarian on most issues, but on the areas that I disagree with libertarian thought, I disagree so drastically that I don't think I could ever realistically call myself libertarian (removing government from healthcare, for instance). Perhaps the easiest way to describe my viewpoint would be: keep the government out unless it stands to genuinely improve things in a way that cannot be accomplished otherwise.

I don't think people fit so neatly into political definitions as we would like to think, most people probably have mixed views all around, and people often hold contradictory or fluid beliefs anyways. Fiscal liberal is a huge contradiction in itself because it implies left wing economic view points but fiscal liberalism refers to capitalism. It becomes even more confusing when you then throw in neoliberalism which in-fact considered is fiscally conservative. I think these definitions are way too black and white.



Chris Hu said:
snyps said:

There is plenty wrong with Progressivism. For an example, let's use the war on drugs. Prohibition is a veil that obscures the truth about loneliness and escapism that people suffer and places them into more suffering. for the sake of "Progress" that is never acheived. What is acheived is private prisons and increased tax revenue to fuel the transition to a classist police state. 

 

These politicians don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a FUCK about you! What ever their veil may be.. it is so they can gain power. That is Progressivism. You don't want Child Labor? Don't buy from China. Is that too much to ask? Do you buy from China and claim to be a Progressive? Well there's the problem. No polititian is going to get rid of hypocrits. You got to do it yourself

 

Please don't make guesses about me in the future.

Actually the majority of child labor occurs in agriculture. 80% of child laborers work in agriculture.  There are a lot more coutries that are much worse offenders then China when it comes to child labor.  Also the war on drugs was started by Nixon and last time I checked Nixon wasn't a progressive.  Plus progressives aren't pro private prisons and police states.

If Bush starts the bank bail outs and Obama hands out the checks they are on the same page. If Nixon starts it and every president after continues it they are on the same page. Mccain's Healthcare Reform was the same as Obama's. They are the same. 

 

 

A lot of what you are wearing, eating, and using comes from child labor or sweat shops. Saying that my orange team is better than thier purple team is bullshit when both teams are the same in the end. Progressive Authoritarians with variable sugar coating. 



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I'm a social libertarian, social liberal, financial conservative, environmental conservationist (this last one might need a new label, but meh), pragmatist, and moderate.

Social libertarian.  For me this is not a states rights issue necessarily.  For most of the issues I am libertarian about I don't want even states butting into my private affairs.  I don't think even states should have a right to tell me what I can and cannot do to my body and mind.  They should have no right to tell me what religion I can practice, what kind of sex I can have, or who I marry (within a degree of common sense, like consent adults and not being able to marry dogs, which btw I think the federal federal government should have laws against, not state).

Social liberal.  Some of this is a cross label for social libertarian.  People will call me a liberal for thinking marijuana should be legal, but frankly I think its a libertarian issue more than a liberal one.  Otherwise, my social liberal-ness is about social safety nets.  Government should be protecting my civil rights and privacy, should be providing me with important social services (whatever form it is now or takes in the future, but we need universal healthcare for instance), preserving equal access to specific important services (roads, water, food, electrcity, internet, shelter), and protecting out country and states from foreign and domestic threats (and yes I believe this is a liberal issue and not a conservative one).

Financial conservative.  Given the above, I want the government to do that in an efficient matter, and I don't buy the bullshit that it can't be done, I think our problems generally come from either from normal human incompetence and greed (which by the way is massively pervasive in private business as well), and from people actively trying to subvert the notion that government can actually govern.  Outside of that, I do believe that laws and regulation need to be less complicated.  If it takes automatic auditing of every single regulation every X number of years, so be it.  We need to balance budgets as best as we can with the requirement that at the very least federal debt does not exceed projected combined federal income of 20-30 years (in other words if necessary we should be able to pay our nation debt down within 20-30).  Our military budgets are out of control imo, need some serious auditing, and potential downsizing.  Yeah I get it, best military in the world, blah blah.  We can maintain that without needing to outspend the other top whatever countries combined.

Environmental conservationist.  I get it that some people just can't wrap their head around the notion of human caused climate change, be it because god or whatever.  Regardless I think we should be protecting our environment so that we don't die from even the simple things we can protect ourselves against like neglegent corporations or everyday polutions.  We need to manage our forrests so we don't end up with NONE, and we do.  So lets do that with other vital resources like water (which we are _not_ doing very well).  Yes environmental conservation does include sustainable hunting, it also includes national preserves, limits on fracking, and protection for endangered species.  We need to preserve our country, and our planet, as best we can, because god does not seem willing to do it for us, all the evidence so far points to that fact.

Im also a pragmatist and moderate.  Pragmatist in that most of the time getting my agenda done will take time so I won't pitch a fit and quit just because things I want don't get done right away or that we take partial steps before getting to the final destination. In all other issues im pretty moderate.  If there is an issue not covered by my other ideals then lets hear arguments from all sides and then come to a compromise somewhere in the middle.  The my way or the highway bullshit needs to stop.



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Leadified said:
MTZehvor said:
I think the poll options should be changed to "Fiscal and Social Conservative, Fiscal and Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberal, etc." We're only answering for half the equation as it stands currently, unless you choose the Libertarian or Moderate options.

Anyway, on topic, I'm pretty all over the place. I definitely lean libertarian on most issues, but on the areas that I disagree with libertarian thought, I disagree so drastically that I don't think I could ever realistically call myself libertarian (removing government from healthcare, for instance). Perhaps the easiest way to describe my viewpoint would be: keep the government out unless it stands to genuinely improve things in a way that cannot be accomplished otherwise.

I don't think people fit so neatly into political definitions as we would like to think, most people probably have mixed views all around, and people often hold contradictory or fluid beliefs anyways. Fiscal liberal is a huge contradiction in itself because it implies left wing economic view points but fiscal liberalism refers to capitalism. It becomes even more confusing when you then throw in neoliberalism which in-fact considered is fiscally conservative. I think these definitions are way too black and white.

I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I support a greater variety of options. Attempting to divide all subsections of political views into four neat categories is never going to be particularly accurate, but we can attempt to make it as accurate as possible.