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Where are the ice caps? Shouldn't our coastal areas already be flooded. The world was doomed by global warming in the 90's and shouldn't be able to survive now. We must change before the caps are gone, before the sea levels rise and our coastal cities are gone. The end is near! I think the solution is to hurt our economy as much as possible so that way the Chinese and India can do the polluting for us! That will fix it all. Best of all the scientist agree with me so lets throw rational thought out the window and get to killing our economy a little faster.



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deskpro2k3 said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Source?

You need the source, you're making the statement against accepted norm, or you are introducing new information.

Facebook? What is your obsession with Facebook, I don't even use Facebook. That's the third time you've bought it up for no reason.

"Companies that make documentaries don't do it to inform, they do it for ratings, profit. They can and do twist anything. Question everything, especially when it's a nice friendly narrative that gives you confirmation bias!"

if you can't explain how you know this, then I cannot take your word seriously.

here look, for example, this is how you do it.

The US Military on the Front Lines of Rising Seas (2016)

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report

NY Times

In 100 years. In the 90's and early 2000's we were told rising sea levels would endager coastal cities. Where are we now? Can't believe science that cant properly predict.  Let me know when something they say actually happens. Until than I think we are better off keeping a healthy economy and not damaging ourselves over something that we do not know enough about.



I think my biggest beef with global warming is that it takes the focus off of actual environmental damage that is occurring and it takes our focus off keeping a clean water supply. All of this energy, money, and time would be much better spent keeping our water and oceans clean, and getting rid of smog and particle pollution in the air. Not trying enforce regulations on what is essentially a harmless gas to us and a beneficial gas to plants.



thranx said:
I think my biggest beef with global warming is that it takes the focus off of actual environmental damage that is occurring and it takes our focus off keeping a clean water supply. All of this energy, money, and time would be much better spent keeping our water and oceans clean, and getting rid of smog and particle pollution in the air. Not trying enforce regulations on what is essentially a harmless gas to us and a beneficial gas to plants.

Limiting pollution is the main solution to global warming.  Carbon monoxide (a pollutant) released from burning fossil fuels oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.



pleaserecycle said:
thranx said:
I think my biggest beef with global warming is that it takes the focus off of actual environmental damage that is occurring and it takes our focus off keeping a clean water supply. All of this energy, money, and time would be much better spent keeping our water and oceans clean, and getting rid of smog and particle pollution in the air. Not trying enforce regulations on what is essentially a harmless gas to us and a beneficial gas to plants.

Limiting pollution is the main solution to global warming.  Carbon monoxide (a pollutant) released from burning fossil fuels oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Not from what I have seen. They want to cap and trade co2, not other gasses. Kyoto talks about co2 and green house gasses, not particle pollution. None of it mentions water.



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Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.



Goodnightmoon said:
Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work



thranx said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work

The measures I'm talking about don't include to kill all the people from a culture/race just because some of them are terrorists, in fact the mesures I'm talking bout don't include killing at all, so the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Most scientifics around the world believe on the climate chnge and most of the measures to combat it are good for the environment and we are gonna need to do something about that sooner or later anyways, why not now? 



Goodnightmoon said:
thranx said:

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work

The measures I'm talking about don't include to kill all the people from a culture/race just because some of them are terrorists, in fact the mesures I'm talking bout don't include killing at all, so the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Most scientifics around the world believe on the climate chnge and most of the measures to combat it are good for the environment and we are gonna need to do something about that sooner or later anyways, why not now? 

because



thranx said:
pleaserecycle said:

Limiting pollution is the main solution to global warming.  Carbon monoxide (a pollutant) released from burning fossil fuels oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Not from what I have seen. They want to cap and trade co2, not other gasses. Kyoto talks about co2 and green house gasses, not particle pollution. None of it mentions water.

Carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide are both greenhouse gases and particle pollutants.  When cars, trucks, boats, and other vehicles burn fuel for energy they're emitting carbon monoxide.  It's not healthy for us to breathe and it eventually oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.  Carbon dioxide, like other greenhouse gases, absorbs infrared radiation which increases the surface temperature of the Earth.  In the absence of other variables, a higher concentration of carbon dioxide will always produce greater surface temperatures.  

Cap and trade is a government's response to global warming.  It limits the production of greenhouse gases and encourages the use of alternative resources (wind power, solar power, hydro power).