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I'm inclined to believe Baalz.

This is also because he claimed Marie. I know character claims may be a stretch, however, Marie is a character where poetry is a primary character trait. I do not think he's playing us right now.

@Prof, interesting tactic, though we're only assuming an SK.



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Mr.Playstation said:
Final-Fan said:

What do you want to happen before you divulge that information?  What do you think of the fact that Blade wants you to "go first" before he says what he found?  If the answer to the first question isn't "Blade goes first", would you be willing to go first, or would you want to arrange a simultaneous-ish post? 

I honestly just want to discuss the chances of there being a vanilla town in the game.

As others have said, that's a really bad reason to delay giving your information.  Just give it to us now, then we can talk about what that means for whether there is a vanilla townie in the game. 

If you were hoping to trap someone into claiming vanilla and then using your info against them, it was already a long shot in what is clearly a power heavy setup, and it's not worth the delay.  Fess up. 



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BladeSymphony said:
Linkzmax said:

Never edit your posts!

I didn't say chase after zero as a Godfather, I warned that you should not trust every innocent scan as absolute. For all I know, you scanned me and I could be saying that you shouldn't trust me anyway. That doesn't matter as the advice is sound all the same.

You think Miller was the only reason for a Psychic. You think town has a Watcher, Tracker, and Psychic, which are all confirmed, plus likely a Cop and Journalist, and possibly a Dreamer, but town would be a little underpowered if a Godfather exists. I think you have a bad grasp of good balance.

The advice is sound. I do not completely trust whoever I scanned and it may be off. However, these are simply deductions and conclusions I have reached based on everything that has happened so far. I don't see anyone else using any methods to find mafia based on who we're tracking. Town has been wrong twice. We need to narrow down roles by elimating any possible incorrect leads. We do not need another wild goose chase. Even if there is a Godfather, going after a maybe this late with the possibly chance that my scan is wrong is a bad move. It's not a definite lead and I never denied the existence of one. Hence putting the idea aside for now. I also want to see if the person I scanned gets chased after by mafia for another lynch.

Bad grasp of good balance? Well, let's see what you think of the game so far. Who do you think is mafia? Who do you think is town?

Mr. P, Baalz, and others who performed night actions need to elaborate. So I can see if all my deductions can fall into place.

@Baalz, you said you have two mafia poems, can you share those as well?

I'm not suggesting to consider your scan as a lynch possibility toDay either. It should be considered if the game continues though.

Grasp of good balance is about roles. Between the flips and claims, town has many strong roles, many of which have some negative utility to them. Nothing is confirmed for mafia, but they may have an additional kill and with all of the PRs I would expect a Roleblocker though they didn't choose to block you.

For my reads, I'd say you, Arm, and Mr.P are all basically confirmed town for me. zero seems very much to be playing as he does when town. prof hasn't displayed his town not-mafia tell yet, and by this point in time I'd expect it to have shown up. I don't recall any scummy flags though, but he didn't explain his change in stance on Mr.P either. Trucks started off townish for me, but his level of enthusiasm has waned as of late. I know there's the excuse of the holidays, but I'm beginning to think he's grown tired of the charade.



Baalzamon said:
They don't explicitly state they are for the mafia player, I was just told to start the game that 1 of them each night will be about a mafia player.

The first night, there was one labeled "The Shadow", which I assume to be about the mafia, and it speaks of him never being around, but that is about the extent. The other 2 on day 1 were along the following lines (I don't want to directly quote per game rules).

#2 labeled "A Man", it talks about him playing his hand, and that he plays a dangerous game and uses himself, perhaps for attention. I kinda assume this relates to Miz playing a "dangerous game" by being a miller?

#3 labeled "Another One", the main thing I got out of this was that he cast the "first stone". I assumed that meant the first vote?

#1 I'm gonna check Day One postals.

#2 Could be about Stefl, no?

#3 I'd agree that it is probably Trucks.

Baalzamon said:
Day 2:

"The Timid", it talks of somebody who gave their name away, and putting their life on the line, and that I may find out more info to start the day. I can only assume this means they were 1 of the 2 people killed overnight.

"The skilled", Talks about butting heads and that he is hunting scum. A brief part of me thinks this is talking about zero or myself just because the butting heads. Being that I didn't really do any scum hunting...but his vote yesterday was for Miz just like the rest of us.

"The Silent", it speaks of a gun and doing it to basically make himself sound good. It then mentions how he may be lying about what he has claimed.

#1 Will check who name claimed before Night 2 as well. I don't think platina did.

#2 Again you mistyped Miz, instead of Noctis.

Is it possible for you to get the same person multiple Nights?



Arminillo said:
Noone got my buff today. I was reminded that my ability has a 1-day cooldown. I think I am alive because I havent pressed anyone hard enough to cause worry.

I didnt think Noctis was maf, but I did suspect Platina. Has anyone considered the possibility of a tailor (wears costume of someone elses role when dies)? Probably unlikely.

I am worried about the chances of winning for town now, as we are at a point that most if not all the loose cannon players are dead, and we are left with the level-headed who can be difficult to read. (except Zero)

I know that I am probably heavily suspected, but I ask not to be lynched for one more day, as I can use my ability at least one more time.

Are you suggesting platina or one of the other victims is actually a different role?(or even alignment) That does seem unlikely without some role to counter it, which Dreamer possibily could except Baalz says he only dreams of living players.

I find it odd that you'd have a cooldown on your ability though. I still think it's highly likely you are town, but such a limitation is pretty strange. The possibility of buffing mafia makes it risky, but it's not OP even if there's a confirmed townie for you to buff each Day either. 



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Final-Fan said:
Seems kinda junky that you could be dreaming about yourself as well.

@Linkz: why is it a good idea for the vig (if it is a vig) to reveal himself? I'd think that you'd want him to stay alive and available if he has more than one shot. (On the one hand, he probably does, as this seems like a high powered game; but on the other hand, he might not, since we already have a badly nerfed power claim and another very weak power claim, in which case I would agree that he should come out if he is out of shots, but the SK point would be irrelevant in that case.)

On the possibility of SK, that would require a doc or block on Night 1, correct? I've only been an SK once but in that game killing was mandatory as I recall. Is that not the standard?

prof is half right. I don't actually expect that there's a vig, so if there's another Night with two deaths, I would push for the claimer's lynch. But vig or SK, it would help decide who to lynch toDay regardless. There's a slight possibility that mafia used an extra kill to get us to MYLO, but I don't think a 4-man team with an extra kill would be good balance.

Now that Mr.P's claimed his ability was interfered with, it's definitely not a good idea for a vig to come forward if they have extra shots.

Even epicmafia describes the Killer as someone that shoots every night. So either mafia and the SK overlapped on spurge, or a kill was protected.



Baalzamon said:
Mr.Playstation said:

So your role is receiving poems/riddles?

Yep, I'm Marie, Town Dreamer. I receive 3 poems every single night, 1 of which is about a mafia player.

No names are provided with the poems. I've largely been saying very little this game in an attempt to get a couple of nights of poems first.

First, do you get exactly one poem about mafia each Night, or is it as axum said where it's at least one.(which matches the epicmafia description)



Linkzmax said:
[Acknowledge/agree the rest]
Now that Mr.P's claimed his ability was interfered with, it's definitely not a good idea for a vig to come forward if they have extra shots.

So you're against a mass-claim to try to figure out the liars?  I'm not sure it's a good idea myself but I want to hear a good reason to rule it out. 



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Interesting enough look at it Linkz. But until Mr. P comes forth, I have not ruled him out. He WAS acting townish but this inability to let us know what's wrong is iffy. I will keep your deductions strongly in mind, however. I'm still waiting for his information.



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Final-Fan said:
Linkzmax said:
[Acknowledge/agree the rest]
Now that Mr.P's claimed his ability was interfered with, it's definitely not a good idea for a vig to come forward if they have extra shots.

So you're against a mass-claim to try to figure out the liars?  I'm not sure it's a good idea myself but I want to hear a good reason to rule it out. 

If we're going to mass then yeah I think a vig should come clean rather then try to fakeclaim something else, but they don't have to be honest about their number of shots. As for whether we should or not, I think if Mr.P's information does not turn out to be a solid lead then it could be worth a shot. It's dangerous in the sense that mafia will likely easily dictate the Night, but we're only a mislynch or two away from losing.