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Final-Fan on 01 January 2017

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theprof00 on 01 January 2017

I'd very much like to hear what mrp had to say, and I'm curious about the poems, regarding someone who lied about their roleclaim.



theprof00 on 01 January 2017
Final-Fan said:
FoS Baalz and axumblade

Yeah I noticed that too. He also listed the wrong person as the miller. I would think if all you got at night was some kind of vague poem, you'd do a better job keeping your facts straight.



Final-Fan on 01 January 2017
axumblade said:
Final-Fan said:

@ Baalz:  why did you think that the poem after the FIRST day could be about the miller who claimed on the SECOND?  And why did you think that person was Miz when it was in fact Noctis?  (Miz had claimed to be the bomb, and had been lynched already, and was therefore ineligible for a player pool that counts from the beginning of the night.)

@ axumblade:  why did you go along with this in your response, agreeing that miz (actually a dead fake-bomb tracker) was the miller being referred to? 

Simple. I didn't pay attention to the role he mentioned because it doesn't really matter because it describes the event that occurred. To me, calling him a miller doesn't change the fact that he lied about his role.

Baalz:  "I was able to confirm that the pool of players includes myself, and is the pool at the beginning of the night."

So, again, why did you think that this referred to a player we had previously lynched? 



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BladeSymphony on 01 January 2017

I'm going to look through the poems and the posts based on those two days and see if anything interesting comes up.

@FF -- I assumed he meant a vig on the mafia team. The vigilante being outed would be a bad move. I'm already suspicious enough of Linkz as is.

In the meantime, Mr. P not sharing his info is simply making me suspicious. We apparently know his role. Why is iffy about sharing it? There are no negatives here. I'm just crosschecking my own deductions. When Mr. P shares his info, I will divulge mine. The town gains more information. Why is he discussing vanilla townies?



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Baalzamon on 01 January 2017
Final-Fan said:
axumblade said:

At least it gives a few options when it comes to investigations. We know that at least 1 of the clues for day 1 and one of the clues for day 2 are based on mafia members. If we can manage to decipher the meaning behind them, we could potentially narrow down who the scum members are. Since it seems that day 1 has a reference to miz and day 2 has a reference to stefl (or even platina). We can try to figure out the other 4 poem meanings and narrow down who might be who based on that.

@ Baalz:  why did you think that the poem after the FIRST day could be about the miller who claimed on the SECOND?  And why did you think that person was Miz when it was in fact Noctis?  (Miz had claimed to be the bomb, and had been lynched already, and was therefore ineligible for a player pool that counts from the beginning of the night.)

@ axumblade:  why did you go along with this in your response, agreeing that miz (actually a dead fake-bomb tracker) was the miller being referred to? 

Mistyped. I meant Noc for the miller.

I merely assumed the "dangerous game" could have referenced being a miller. It never indicates he already had to claim it. Merely being a miller is, in my opinion, playing a dangerous game.



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Baalzamon on 01 January 2017

As for quoting the poems, I haven't specifically clarified whether I can share them directly, but the game rules pretty specifically state: "Never quote your PM directly."

I agree it is silly I can dream about myself, but I specifically messaged to ask if that is the case, and it was confirmed I am included in the pool.



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Final-Fan on 01 January 2017
axumblade said:
Final-Fan said:

Baalz:  "I was able to confirm that the pool of players includes myself, and is the pool at the beginning of the night."

So, again, why did you think that this referred to a player we had previously lynched? 

Oooh...good catch. It was speculation that it was miz that I kinda fell into.  I didn't pay as much attention to the specific wording as I should have.

Do you think it could have been in reference to another person or do you feel Baalz is outright lying?

I was just thinking in terms of the contradictory information.  This could be explained by Baalz being very careless with his info, but it is certainly suspicious that he would be that way.  He would have no reason to lie about the interpretation of his poems, whether the poems are real or fake. 

His current excuse is plausible, but my eyes are more suspicious than they had been before.  On the other hand, a really good mafia fake claim would have also avoided this problem, because it's so easily verifiable.  So the question just comes down to which sort of carelessness is more plausible. 



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theprof00 on 01 January 2017
BladeSymphony said:
I'm going to look through the poems and the posts based on those two days and see if anything interesting comes up.

@FF -- I assumed he meant a vig on the mafia team. The vigilante being outed would be a bad move. I'm already suspicious enough of Linkz as is.

In the meantime, Mr. P not sharing his info is simply making me suspicious. We apparently know his role. Why is iffy about sharing it? There are no negatives here. I'm just crosschecking my own deductions. When Mr. P shares his info, I will divulge mine. The town gains more information. Why is he discussing vanilla townies?

He's not trying to out the vig. He's trying to get the sk to claim vig. Linkz plays tricks like this.



Final-Fan on 01 January 2017
Baalzamon said:
As for quoting the poems, I haven't specifically clarified whether I can share them directly, but the game rules pretty specifically state: "Never quote your PM directly."

I agree it is silly I can dream about myself, but I specifically messaged to ask if that is the case, and it was confirmed I am included in the pool.

That particular rule is referring to the role PM.  Now, I certainly DO NOT recommend you go sharing your poems without clarifying whether they are also restricted, but it's at least possible that they are not.  You should ask, IMO.  (If you're fake claiming, please say it's OK and give us some really cool bullshit.) 



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