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TruckOSaurus said:

I'm still have page 22 and 23 to read so I'm guessing around 65 posts.

I haven't quite got to [Novtis and Blade's] claims yet but I promise to give my thoughts when I get to it which will probably be tonight.

Blade hasn't formally claimed yet, and I don't think Noctis has expliticly said his role either, but both of them have removed all doubt that they are presenting themselves as cop and miller.  And this happened long before page 22@50.  How did you miss it? 

P.S.  Blade refers to this state as a softclaim, but I don't think it really counts as such. 



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Blade, did you suspect Noctis on day 1?
From what I can tell, you suspected Trucks, spurge, stefl, and miz. Miz turned up town in the lynch, and Trucks, spurge, and stefl voted for miz. What did you think of Noc's reaction's vote at the end of the day? You said it was a bandwagon vote, but I assume that was just cover for a future reference.



I Post-read noctis, blade, and platina.
Noctis seems like town to me. His vote near the end of the day was full of gusto. There is one thing niggling at the back of my mind though that epicmafia miller doesn't know he's a miller. Other than that, blade didn't seem to suspect him all that much, so I doubt there are any shenanigans on noctis' part.

Blade played the way I would expect, and was really out to get noctis on day 2 opening. He filled a lot of the meta that would make sense to me, though I really don't understand why he would go after noc. It seems really random, and I can't figure out the inspiration for it.

Platina. I'm 99% sure is scum. I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of platina downplaying his own ability. He started the day basically claiming that he was going to be more quiet because he made mistakes. He then starts talking about role-meta and how many mafia there are. He gives his reason for voting stefl that is because stefl is probably third party, so is ok either way. He makes several posts about third parties to justify said vote again. On day 2 he starts talking about a serial killer, and makes a post theorizing about the existence of an actual cop pre-blade softclaim.
For me today it's between trucks and platina.


PS: Stefl, who did you target?



theprof00 said:
I Post-read noctis, blade, and platina.
Noctis seems like town to me. His vote near the end of the day was full of gusto. There is one thing niggling at the back of my mind though that epicmafia miller doesn't know he's a miller. Other than that, blade didn't seem to suspect him all that much, so I doubt there are any shenanigans on noctis' part.

Blade played the way I would expect, and was really out to get noctis on day 2 opening. He filled a lot of the meta that would make sense to me, though I really don't understand why he would go after noc. It seems really random, and I can't figure out the inspiration for it.

Platina. I'm 99% sure is scum. I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of platina downplaying his own ability. He started the day basically claiming that he was going to be more quiet because he made mistakes. He then starts talking about role-meta and how many mafia there are. He gives his reason for voting stefl that is because stefl is probably third party, so is ok either way. He makes several posts about third parties to justify said vote again. On day 2 he starts talking about a serial killer, and makes a post theorizing about the existence of an actual cop pre-blade softclaim.
For me today it's between trucks and platina.


PS: Stefl, who did you target?

On the contrary, I said I was not going to be as quiet and try to be more active because I made mistakes in the previous game. I've already been cautioned about trying to find 3rd party over mafia which is why I didn't really pursue 3rd party after that post nor on day 2. I did say I'm doubting there is a SK though?

I don't like to suspect people that suspect me as mafia, but with your 99% confidence, I do have to say that it makes me a bit suspicious



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axumblade said:
Since I've had to read through all of the comments in sections, I'm not going to bother with quotes. Just post the observations I have had over the last few days of reading.

Trucks - I am not certain if he was just trying to get more info circulating or if he was trying to redirect to other players since he seems to be on a decent amount of peoples lists and he knew if he didn't get some accusations out there, he might not have time to talk people out of voting on him.

Zero - Kinda also offering a bunch of sporadic information. Though to be fair, this is how Zero always plays. So in his case, what makes me question Trucks, is an indifferent feeling from him.

Baalz - The conversation with Zero seemed a bit dramatic coming from Baalz (a user that is normally pretty level headed in this game). This could also be part of the Zero effect. Though to be perfectly honest, I do have my own suspicions of Trucks in this game, so I could be giving Zero a bit more wiggle room with his crazy posts.

Stefl + Mr. P - I feel this story is too elaborate to completely create from scratch. But then again, we've seen this happen a lot. Last game, theprof's half truth helped him stay alive for one more night and yesterday Miz, lied about being a town role just to be another town role. It is strange that Mr. P seemed to have gotten his role mixed up pretty easily though. For now, I'll give this the benefit of a doubt but it is sort of up in the air as for what theprof has to say when he reemerges.

I am more inclined to believe Stefl over Mr. P if it came down to it though. Mr. P's ability for some reason sounds a little bit spurgelike if I remember the details correctly. Why would there be both a mailman that sends out letters?
Also, am I reading this wrong or does the interceptor even say that it is a mafia role on the epicmafia page?
https://epicmafia.com/role/162

Arm - I worry he was too focused on getting a lynch into place yesterday after changing his vote several times. I do believe the fact that he is focused on Persona more than Mafia because he isn't as used to this game as others. But it does leave questions up for debate like how does he suddenly know so much with only a few online games of Mafia under his belt. Also, as one of the most active members of the game throughout day 1, he seems to have disappeared from this game. (then again, holiday benefit of a doubt so I won't really place it on him). But I did need to just acknowledge how I feel towards him.

theprof - Where do you stand on your current theory and also what is guiding you to believe stefl and mr.p are scum? As of right now, you're kinda low on my list of suspects though I cannot entirely say why. Mostly just a feeling I get from you. Then again, you are good at playing off those feelings.

About stefl and mrP.
I mentioned it before that I didn't want to bring up my current suspicion, but I read a game similar to this on mafiascum. In that game, there was a single anti-town who was unlynchable on day one, and could then recruit other players onto the anti-town team through letters. Several of the roles so far correspond with that game, which had 3 info roles, journalist being one of them.

Basically, If we have a cop AND a psychic, that would imply that there are some roles that a cop can't read. Because otherwise, psychic is unnecessary. Psychic sees the TRUE alignment. Journalist similarly demands a raison-d'etre, and that's to discover these kinds of recruitment messages.

Furthermore, I don't understand why MrP visited stefl in the first place. I get that he wanted to be sure that he got a message, but something about this is all super convenient. What kind of message was expected? Granted, getting the message "no result" basically confirms stefl's story, so in that way he got what he wanted. But if everything so far is true, he blocked an actual investigation from happening. Is MrP that egotistical that he cares more about his own investigation that a cops? Or was he simply doing what he could to confirm stefl's role? I can't even imagine who sent stefl the double voter ability. All of this is just super suspicious, and not really confirmable, but circularly confirmable.  

tl;dr I'm not really even 50% on this theory, but some things are simply not adding up about these guys and whoever the vote motivator is. There are just a lot of loose strings here that I'm not comfortable with. Add to this the fact that I think stefl's decisions on day 1 are very strange, and MrP is showing his usual mafia aggressiveness, and I'm finding it very hard to focus on anything else.

Don't even get me started about the interceptor role vs journalist thing that linkz brought up already.

(However, I do really like that stefl is on Platinga for scum.)



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theprof00 said:
I Post-read noctis, blade, and platina.
Noctis seems like town to me. His vote near the end of the day was full of gusto. There is one thing niggling at the back of my mind though that epicmafia miller doesn't know he's a miller. Other than that, blade didn't seem to suspect him all that much, so I doubt there are any shenanigans on noctis' part.

Blade played the way I would expect, and was really out to get noctis on day 2 opening. He filled a lot of the meta that would make sense to me, though I really don't understand why he would go after noc. It seems really random, and I can't figure out the inspiration for it.

Platina. I'm 99% sure is scum. I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of platina downplaying his own ability. He started the day basically claiming that he was going to be more quiet because he made mistakes. He then starts talking about role-meta and how many mafia there are. He gives his reason for voting stefl that is because stefl is probably third party, so is ok either way. He makes several posts about third parties to justify said vote again. On day 2 he starts talking about a serial killer, and makes a post theorizing about the existence of an actual cop pre-blade softclaim.
For me today it's between trucks and platina.


PS: Stefl, who did you target?

Linkz, no special reason.



Platina said:
theprof00 said:
I Post-read noctis, blade, and platina.
Noctis seems like town to me. His vote near the end of the day was full of gusto. There is one thing niggling at the back of my mind though that epicmafia miller doesn't know he's a miller. Other than that, blade didn't seem to suspect him all that much, so I doubt there are any shenanigans on noctis' part.

Blade played the way I would expect, and was really out to get noctis on day 2 opening. He filled a lot of the meta that would make sense to me, though I really don't understand why he would go after noc. It seems really random, and I can't figure out the inspiration for it.

Platina. I'm 99% sure is scum. I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of platina downplaying his own ability. He started the day basically claiming that he was going to be more quiet because he made mistakes. He then starts talking about role-meta and how many mafia there are. He gives his reason for voting stefl that is because stefl is probably third party, so is ok either way. He makes several posts about third parties to justify said vote again. On day 2 he starts talking about a serial killer, and makes a post theorizing about the existence of an actual cop pre-blade softclaim.
For me today it's between trucks and platina.


PS: Stefl, who did you target?

On the contrary, I said I was not going to be as quiet and try to be more active because I made mistakes in the previous game. I've already been cautioned about trying to find 3rd party over mafia which is why I didn't really pursue 3rd party after that post nor on day 2. I did say I'm doubting there is a SK though?

I don't like to suspect people that suspect me as mafia, but with your 99% confidence, I do have to say that it makes me a bit suspicious

I didn't mean quiet in the the sense you post less, but quiet in the 'not saying a whole lot' category. 

But, just to be clear, your response here is saying you're trying not to make so many mistakes this game, you were warned for being suspicious talking about a third party so you stopped on day 1, and then said that you talked about the existence of a third party (or non-existence) on day 2. 

Well it's a good thing you're only a bit suspicious, because that almost sounded like a warning to me not to pry.



Stefl1504 said:
theprof00 said:
I Post-read noctis, blade, and platina.
Noctis seems like town to me. His vote near the end of the day was full of gusto. There is one thing niggling at the back of my mind though that epicmafia miller doesn't know he's a miller. Other than that, blade didn't seem to suspect him all that much, so I doubt there are any shenanigans on noctis' part.

Blade played the way I would expect, and was really out to get noctis on day 2 opening. He filled a lot of the meta that would make sense to me, though I really don't understand why he would go after noc. It seems really random, and I can't figure out the inspiration for it.

Platina. I'm 99% sure is scum. I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of platina downplaying his own ability. He started the day basically claiming that he was going to be more quiet because he made mistakes. He then starts talking about role-meta and how many mafia there are. He gives his reason for voting stefl that is because stefl is probably third party, so is ok either way. He makes several posts about third parties to justify said vote again. On day 2 he starts talking about a serial killer, and makes a post theorizing about the existence of an actual cop pre-blade softclaim.
For me today it's between trucks and platina.


PS: Stefl, who did you target?

Linkz, no special reason.

Ok then I guess no follow up question. 



Baalzamon said:
The vgc must be trying to eliminate super long quotes with the 2 quote thing...lame.

Yes that was the idea. I'm the one who implemented it, it's been like this for a long while now.



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TruckOSaurus said:
Arminillo said:
@linkzmax


Why is my speculation based on persona knowledge such a big problem? I admit I'm probably reading too much into it, but I don't think its worthless. Prof said he had a Hanged Man arcana, but has claimed a name that is Sun. I think that is something but no one cares.

Still, I will try to tone it down as people seem to hate it.

I think flavor hunting does have some value too but you can't put all your faith in just that.

About prof, what you're saying is that his claimed arcana and character don't match?

Yes, prof just said he read the wrong thing on the wiki, but idk. I guess its possible if he didnt know what he was looking for.

 

Ive read/skimmed everything up to this point, but I would appreciate post links if someone has a specific quesion about something.

 

I feel like my death is coming soon, so I've decided im going to just say what I know before I am hit or lynched.

 

I was the one who enabled the doublevote on Stefl. I wanted to use my ability on him just to see what he would say on being roleblocked (without ruining him if he was town), and since he is under heavy scrutiny, I knew he wouldnt be able to vote liberally. As of right now, I think Stefl is very likely to be town, and since he could confirm the flowers sent to him, I believe Mr. P is likely as well to be town.

 

Since I outed my role power anyway, i will tell you as well that my character name is Rise Kujikawa.



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