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Linkzmax said:

I agree that it's quite likely a town role, but I think it'd be fairly weak as a mafia role depending on the setup. If there aren't a lot of investigative roles, it's often going to return nothing, and even if they do hit one they're very likely not going to gain any info that scum wouldn't already be aware of. Taking the flip/claims of this game for example; getting "lucky" and targeting the same target as spurge would mean nothing, and learning that there's a double vote enabler would be news except it's something that'd come to light anyway. They would have had to target miz and miz would've had to target a town power role to gain any useable knowledge. The only significant upside to it is it's practically a confirmed town role, so a mod might be cruel and give it to mafia.

As for the role meta, are you talking about a deputy for the psychic or for a cop?

It's not fully a two for one investigation. A scum scan would depend on the actual role flip to completely incriminate the other. A town scan would indicate the other is 95+%(to steal from Stefl) likely to also be town.

I agree that it's weak as compared to a lot of powerful roles scum often get, but still powerful compared to nothing.  Role cop is really strong IMO, but role cop that only works on certain roles is definitely a big limitation.  And the fun factor isn't as big because as you say they aren't going to be getting as much info they don't already know as compared to a town version. 

I was thinking of the cop, but it works both ways.  Anything that gets info from the mod can potentially be backed up by a journalist.  He just has to be targeting the right person, which is a significant limitation, but it still overlaps a lot with deputy. 

I agree, but still. 



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And I guess if we had both then the journalist could serve as a makeshift double deputy without revealing to him the existence of both roles. Except that in our case one of them doesn't function if targeted.

But I take it you think one of them is lying. That's a plausible belief, but which one?



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And I guess if we had both then the journalist could serve as a makeshift double deputy without revealing to him the existence of both roles. Except that in our case one of them doesn't function if targeted.

But I take it you think one of them is lying. That's a plausible belief, but which one?

Tracker, Journalist, Cop, and Psychic seems like a lot of investigative roles for what appears to be a single mafia team. Then there's also the likeyhood of a confirmable townie in the DV enabler. Seems like too much for me, but it's too soon to say one of the Psychic/Cop claims must be lying.

Stefl and Mr.P linking together would be very risky as a fakeclaim, since if a cop exists it could out them both. Blade can be confirmed if Noctis is indeed a miller. It'd be possible he's a role cop, but miller pretty much necessitates a cop and psychic doesn't fill the need as it reads miller as town according to epicmafia.



Stefl1504 said:

I am also wondering why nobody asked who I even targeted and why - everybody just seems happy with the claim that I got no result.

Just noticed my quote of this got gobbled by the site's limitations of posting within a certain amount of time.

If you're mafia, you can easily make something up to go along with your "suspicions." If you're town, it gives mafia an idea if they need to block/manipulate/kill you based on their capabilities. So there's nothing to gain from such a question and only potential drawback.



Zero, can you elaborate your town read on platina?

For me the vote on platina is just the same as yesterDays vote - a vote I can get behind just because of a hunch.

I saw a lot of blame being put on me and ToS trying to divert attention from a spurge lynch, who ended up flipping town overnight - there is another thing I am missing analysed by people (maybe it did get though and I am misremembering that at this second).

FF, this is not the first time you throw in the thought of a deputy O_o



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Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

I am also wondering why nobody asked who I even targeted and why - everybody just seems happy with the claim that I got no result.

Just noticed my quote of this got gobbled by the site's limitations of posting within a certain amount of time.

If you're mafia, you can easily make something up to go along with your "suspicions." If you're town, it gives mafia an idea if they need to block/manipulate/kill you based on their capabilities. So there's nothing to gain from such a question and only potential drawback.

Eh, I just removed some people from the player pool that I thought were town and random.org'd it anyway.



Linkzmax said:

Tracker, Journalist, Cop, and Psychic seems like a lot of investigative roles for what appears to be a single mafia team. Then there's also the likeyhood of a confirmable townie in the DV enabler. Seems like too much for me, but it's too soon to say one of the Psychic/Cop claims must be lying.

Stefl and Mr.P linking together would be very risky as a fakeclaim, since if a cop exists it could out them both. Blade can be confirmed if Noctis is indeed a miller. It'd be possible he's a role cop, but miller pretty much necessitates a cop and psychic doesn't fill the need as it reads miller as town according to epicmafia.

True.  Mafia could be abnormally large and/or have Godfather (or whatever role it is that makes them scan innocent if that's not it) to counterbalance.  That would throw off the cop both ways, and the psychic is also weak. 



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@linkz Counterclaiming in what way? His role seems to have far more to it than mine. I don't doubt the intentions of the host to include roles with similar actions based on themes. I'm not saying Stefl is innocent, but it is still in the realm of possibility.

The idea that Noctis is a miller is a more plausible possibility. A role that is a burden to town. That checks with every one of the miller's descriptions on epicmafia. I'm very weary of lynching Noctis at this point. My information is all we have, however.

At this point I'm more comfortable lynching Trucks due to yesterDay's actions -- successfully diverted attention away from himself and removed every lynch vote -- successfully got a town member lynched and another killed. If I were to vote, that's who I'd vote for.



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Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:
And I guess if we had both then the journalist could serve as a makeshift double deputy without revealing to him the existence of both roles. Except that in our case one of them doesn't function if targeted.

But I take it you think one of them is lying. That's a plausible belief, but which one?

Tracker, Journalist, Cop, and Psychic seems like a lot of investigative roles for what appears to be a single mafia team. Then there's also the likeyhood of a confirmable townie in the DV enabler. Seems like too much for me, but it's too soon to say one of the Psychic/Cop claims must be lying.

Stefl and Mr.P linking together would be very risky as a fakeclaim, since if a cop exists it could out them both. Blade can be confirmed if Noctis is indeed a miller. It'd be possible he's a role cop, but miller pretty much necessitates a cop and psychic doesn't fill the need as it reads miller as town according to epicmafia.

That's what I'm thinking as well, would be a big risk for a fakeclaim, which is why I don't think they are lying about that though Stefl being a nerfed cop is something I'm not sure about

I think having no Doctor and the Mafia having a Godfather would be a good way to balance out all the investigative roles. and if there is no SK, then Mafia would be able to act freely during the night. In fact, if there is no normal cop, then these investigative roles actually can't pinpoint who the Mafia are, and can actually work against town



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Arminillo said:

How am i being relentless when i just said i was going to backoff on flavorhunting? I also dont like that term, its invaldative and i think i havent presented an illogical argument based on flavor all game.

Flavor hunting is more of a scum trait because you are more interested in looking for roles that links to character ratther than looking for scums. 

Have you already tried questioning people without hunting for flavor or their role because it seems you are more interested in looking for roles than scums.