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Linkzmax said:
Baalzamon said:
Because Zero was town after all. How in gods name would he have properly role cop scanned Trucks?

How did he incorrectly scan prof?

I believe he means, "How could he have known about TOS being Godfather", to which the answer is, "a Lovers-only quicktopic where mafia Prof told him insider info to do the 'best fakeclaim ever'."



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Final-Fan said:
Right. So, the living:
--Mr.P: absolutely confirmed in claimed power, alignment in question, extremely unlikely redirector
--Baalz: claimed power confirmed by Mr.P, alignment dependent on Mr.P's, only possible as redirector if he AND Mr.P are mafia
--Final-Fan: claimed power absolutely confirmed to exist with no counterclaim, alignment in question (SK), possible redirector (extremely unlikely IMO even without my personal knowledge, but Linkz disagrees)
--Arminillo: confirmed in at least one motivation ability used this game on town, alignment in question, possible redirector with a bonus one-shot motivation used to gain townie points
--Linkz: claimed power absolutely confirmed to exist with no counterclaim, alignment in question, extremely unlikely redirector.

What disagreements do people have with the above assessment?

Above seems proper to me. Only thing I'd like to add is we cannot rule out Prof having additional abilities.



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Final-Fan said:
Right. So, the living:
--Mr.P: absolutely confirmed in claimed power, alignment in question, extremely unlikely redirector
--Baalz: claimed power confirmed by Mr.P, alignment dependent on Mr.P's, only possible as redirector if he AND Mr.P are mafia
--Final-Fan: claimed power absolutely confirmed to exist with no counterclaim, alignment in question (SK), possible redirector (extremely unlikely IMO even without my personal knowledge, but Linkz disagrees)
--Arminillo: confirmed in at least one motivation ability used this game on town, alignment in question, possible redirector with a bonus one-shot motivation used to gain townie points
--Linkz: claimed power absolutely confirmed to exist with no counterclaim, alignment in question, extremely unlikely redirector.

What disagreements do people have with the above assessment?

Oh wow, we're going there? Looks good otherwise, except for one thing I'd rather not point out in case the hilarious is going on.



Linkzmax said:
Baalzamon said:
Because Zero was town after all. How in gods name would he have properly role cop scanned Trucks?

How did he incorrectly scan prof?

He very well could have assumed that as lovers, Prof was a fellow townie.

It never occurred to me Final-Fan's mentioning Prof could have told him about Trucks being godfather, but wouldn't that be pretty incriminating? I'd be damn suspicious of Prof if he assured me he knew Trucks was godfather while he was my lover.



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Linkzmax said:
Baalzamon said:
Oh the irony. Prof is indeed mafia, and Zero wasn't a jack of all trades.
Baalzamon said:
Unless I'm misinterpreting and "Town Lover" means you have all sorts of additional roles.                                     

Unless it's two mafia teams of two, prof stabbed his scummate in the back. He probably fooled zero into thinking he was town. Major props to him in any case. It had to be very difficult pulling off three "personas" between the game thread, a mafia quicktopic, and a lovers quicktopic.

I suggested prof gave zero the information a while ago, and then I linked the Tragic Lovers. zero probably knew prof was mafia, but he had a win condition that would allow him to win with prof as well.



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Zero & Prof were both voted for Trucks day 1 already, which lends a little credibility to that theory.



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I'm not a big fan of Mr. P having "No Vote" for day 2 or day 3, though. It is as if he just doesn't want to do anything even remotely scummy.



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Tomorrow will be limited to probably after 8pm CT. Not sure if we are working with a time limit at all.



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Baalzamon said:
You do realize you indicating your role also sees the messages sent doesn't even match up with the role on the wiki you sent me, right?

You are suggesting that you are both a Tracker and a Journalist at the same time.

Yeah I know. I thought I'd catch you in a slip or something. 



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Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:
--Arminillo: confirmed in at least one motivation ability used this game on town, alignment in question, possible redirector with a bonus one-shot motivation used to gain townie points

Oh wow, we're going there? Looks good otherwise, except for one thing I'd rather not point out in case the hilarious is going on.

Normally, I wouldn't "go there", but when I look at his power and the town setup, it starts to look odd. 
His power:  Give 1 player 1 extra vote with a cooldown of 1 day between uses AND it only works if Arminillo's target didn't use a power on a target last night. 

In this game, we have:
9 town active powers (including vig/SK and excluding himself, passive powers like Baalz, and Lovers with no power per se);
3 town with no active power (including passive powers and the lover zero, even though it looks like zero and prof were in cahoots and almost a third faction)
2? mafia with no active power (1 killer, probably 1 redirector, 1 godfather, 1 lover -- I don't buy the "secret hidden powers on the lovers" hypothesis)
and maybe Linkz blocks Arminillo's target, giving them an extra vote, as happened with Stefl. 

So it's an extra vote that has less than a 50% chance of landing at all, and of valid targets one third are mafia, one third are lovers (overlap), and one third are actual town with no agenda.  And this is such a strong power that it also has to be limited to alternate days?  Well, I guess it might have to be if everybody mass-claimed on Day 1... but I still think it's remarkable that this is all Arminillo got.  I'm not saying I disbelieve this like I disbeleived zero's claim, but it definitely makes me wonder. 

Either way, it's hilarious that Arminillo targeted Stefl with it on N1, who was both one of the few who could even use the claimed ability and the only one who could be simultaneously blocked by it. 



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