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Mr.Playstation on 08 January 2017
Baalzamon said:
-So we have Armanillo, who doesn't appear to be the redirector, as his double vote enable is confirmed.
-We have Linkzmax, who blocked night 2 (confirmed by town doctor). I really don't think a roleblocker can also redirect on the same night.
-We have myself, who gets poems. I can't redirect.
-We have Mr. P, who definitely gets info. The only scenario where he is redirector would mean he himself redirected his info onto Prof night 2. But he would still be the (mafia) redirector. Basically the scenario doesn't make sense.
We have Final-Fan, who we absolutely know is a vig/SK. As a Vig, he most certainly doesn't have redirect. As a SK, it still seems pretty damn powerful to have a redirect ability each night.

This comes into my theory that Prof also had a redirect ability (it seems the lovers had hidden abilities). Prof/Mr. P were in collusion with the whole "No info" on night 2.

Vote: Mr. P

You still aren't off my scum list Linkz, but Mr. P is much higher on it.

You're scared what messages did you semd last night. Spill the beans!!!



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Linkzmax on 08 January 2017
Final-Fan said:
Linkzmax said:

So you thought zero, prof, and Trucks were all mafia together?

My confidence that zero was scum was much lower than it had been prior to the flip.  He could have been a cop-rolecop and lying about the commute.  Besides which:  why not?  But no, I didn't have that specific scenario in mind when I chose my target. 

So you leaned town on zero and shot at someone he cleared as town. In hindsight, you made a brilliant choice. Except you didn't have that knowledge going into Night, and as such it was an incredibly scummy choice.

Final-Fan said:
To clarify the above: "successful" pingback could just mean "you successfully used your ability, regardless of whether a kill attempt was made". If he even gets "success" pingbacks! I don't.

I thought you were suggesting "failed" meant he did not make a save.



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Linkzmax on 08 January 2017
Mr.Playstation said:
Baalzamon said:
-So we have Armanillo, who doesn't appear to be the redirector, as his double vote enable is confirmed.
-We have Linkzmax, who blocked night 2 (confirmed by town doctor). I really don't think a roleblocker can also redirect on the same night.
-We have myself, who gets poems. I can't redirect.
-We have Mr. P, who definitely gets info. The only scenario where he is redirector would mean he himself redirected his info onto Prof night 2. But he would still be the (mafia) redirector. Basically the scenario doesn't make sense.
We have Final-Fan, who we absolutely know is a vig/SK. As a Vig, he most certainly doesn't have redirect. As a SK, it still seems pretty damn powerful to have a redirect ability each night.

This comes into my theory that Prof also had a redirect ability (it seems the lovers had hidden abilities). Prof/Mr. P were in collusion with the whole "No info" on night 2.

Vote: Mr. P

You still aren't off my scum list Linkz, but Mr. P is much higher on it.

You're scared what messages did you semd last night. Spill the beans!!!

If it indicates Baalz is scum, why not just spill them yourself?



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Final-Fan on 08 January 2017

I'm just indescribably annoyed that I made the 100% factually correct choice and it makes me even more of a serial killer to you.



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Baalzamon on 08 January 2017

He has no beans to spill.



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Final-Fan on 08 January 2017
Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:

My confidence that zero was scum was much lower than it had been prior to the flip.  He could have been a cop-rolecop and lying about the commute.  Besides which:  why not?  But no, I didn't have that specific scenario in mind when I chose my target. 

So you leaned town on zero and shot at someone he cleared as town. In hindsight, you made a brilliant choice. Except you didn't have that knowledge going into Night, and as such it was an incredibly scummy choice.

I've specifically suggested multiple godfathers before to explain the number of cops (including zero at the time), and I don't believe I ever said I ruled zero out, and ADDITIONALLY we have a redirector in this game!  And besides ALL of that, he wasn't very important to my reasoning for the prof kill, which consisted largely of: 

1.  I strongly suspect Prof of lying about his impending death. 
1a.  Whatever plan he has must be too late to stop by toMorrow morning, when we will witness his lack of death. 
1b.  I do not want this plan to succeed. 

2.  Since we lynched Mafia, even if I "waste" my kill, we are no worse off than yesterDay, when we obviously didn't lose the game. 



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Baalzamon on 08 January 2017
Mr.Playstation said:
Baalzamon said:
-So we have Armanillo, who doesn't appear to be the redirector, as his double vote enable is confirmed.
-We have Linkzmax, who blocked night 2 (confirmed by town doctor). I really don't think a roleblocker can also redirect on the same night.
-We have myself, who gets poems. I can't redirect.
-We have Mr. P, who definitely gets info. The only scenario where he is redirector would mean he himself redirected his info onto Prof night 2. But he would still be the (mafia) redirector. Basically the scenario doesn't make sense.
We have Final-Fan, who we absolutely know is a vig/SK. As a Vig, he most certainly doesn't have redirect. As a SK, it still seems pretty damn powerful to have a redirect ability each night.

This comes into my theory that Prof also had a redirect ability (it seems the lovers had hidden abilities). Prof/Mr. P were in collusion with the whole "No info" on night 2.

Vote: Mr. P

You still aren't off my scum list Linkz, but Mr. P is much higher on it.

You're scared what messages did you semd last night. Spill the beans!!!

The problem with what you are doing here is when you claimed today, you very clearly would have stated I sent messages as well. Instead, all you did was say you can verify I do indeed get poems.

My only messages sent last night were discussions with Clyde about a potential replacement, which I can only assume you wouldn't receive (It would be rather dorky if you did).



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Baalzamon on 08 January 2017

You do realize you indicating your role also sees the messages sent doesn't even match up with the role on the wiki you sent me, right?

You are suggesting that you are both a Tracker and a Journalist at the same time.



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Baalzamon on 08 January 2017
Final-Fan said:
Thoughts:
-Mr.P is confirmed in his abilities, even if his alignment is in question: therefore he does not have additional powers such as blocking that he executed last Night.
-Final-Fan is confirmed in his abilities also, given the lack of counterclaim.
-Baalz has his poems, which it is possible to fake.
-Linkz claimed blocker. Did axum say he got a message that he was blocked?
-Arminillo claimed double vote enabler, and it is confirmed Stefl was able to double vote once this game. He did come up with an excuse as to why his cooldown power was even MORE limited later in the game.

-I consider myself and Mr.P to be absolutely out of the question as candidates for the mystery redirect, and not just from my personal perspective of knowing my own role.
-Arminillo is almost at the same level, but mafia jack of all trades is possible (as I was thinking with zero). However, not only do these two powers make a very strange set, but also there is more than one claimed redirect and jacks do not generally get more than one of anything.
-Linkz could hypothetically be a bus driver whose targets also get blocked, but this would be way OP as a mafia role and there is no reason I see to continue to hide it as town.

So, IF a block by Linkz is actually 100% confirmed, then by process of elimination it looks pretty likely that Baalz has got some explaining to do.

Night 2 Linkz block was confirmed by Axum.

That's besides the point though...pretty damn sure Prof himself was the redirector. There is already reason to believe that abilities were hidden behind the whole Lover roles.



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Arminillo on 08 January 2017

Linkz why did you roleblock our doctor?



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