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Blade, I notice you only have 9 posts to your name in 2 years.
What made you decide to play now?



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spurgeonryan said:
@linkz

You say trucks is one of the easiest to read.

So have you figured him out already this game?

I'd say he's referencing my lack of enthusiasm when I draw the scum card.

spurgeonryan said:
1. I know he will try harder this time if scum so it is hard to say anything so soon.

2. I do not remember him ever being likethis before, but after the last few games I see where he is coming from. But just bexcuse zero is wild, does not mean he alone is responsible for any lose or win. In fact, last game other than being scum, he really was not responsible for anything. Neither was Mr.P fully responsible for the loss.

People keep saying who the best person to lynch go the sake of town is, yet those same people lost too.

For this instance we could just vote Arminilio since he is doing the same type of stuff Darwin was. Is he new, is he just playing, what?

Back to trucks. He is playing different.

1. Well I'll give you that playing better than my last game isn't quite hard to achieve so if I had been scum this time around, yes I would have probably done better than last game.
2. I'm not sure I've played "like this" before either but I don't believe I have a set style of play. I'm coming off a game as (disinterested) scum and a game as a host, now I'm Town.  These circumstances influence the way I'm playing now.



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zero129 said:
Linkzmax said:

Why didn't you address my last reply to you?

I'll do you the favor of spelling out the point I've been trying to get across though. If you want to draw a parallel to last game, then you should be saying Trucks is probably town that is mistakingly pushing for a mislynch. Or at least you could make the argument that Trucks saw how nobody was getting questioned for focusing on Mr.P, so he's trying to escape scrutiny now with his focus on you. Right now you are saying both town and mafia had weak reasons to call Mr.P scum last game, therefore Trucks is scum. It's weak reasoning on your part.

Also, while mislynching Mr.P was what ultimately led to town's loss not lynching him day one was the biggest contribution to the loss. That kind of mistake needs to happen as early as possible, not at mylo. To put that in terms for this game, if there is going to be a focus on you as a liability until you are dead, then you should indeed by lynched now instead of dragging it out. If you are town, you can and should try to show that you aren't actually a liability.

I didnt really feel like the was much in it that needed addressing to be honest. Well other then the fact that your really down playing my part in Mr.P's lynch...

Anyway i know the point you been putting to me.

But my point is this. Why the fuck should i see myself as a liability when its others that are trying to tunnel me with stupid reasons for it?.

Fact is i would of won the game two games ago if i didnt have to leave. I helped win last game. I have pinged mafia lots of times.

To come after me with such silly reasons as "Your a liability" when i have done more good for town then others (I mean look at how bad you guys lost last game without me). Will make me look at that person as scum looking for an easy target, But like i said mafia's mistake is thinking im an easy target.

The is a reason i dont trust people who use such silly reasoning for a lynch since 99% of the time thats how mafia gets a mis lynch...

Where exactly did you get this "easy lynch" idea from? You're the most stubborn person I know, you have an overinflated ego, you instantly deduce that anyone attacking you is scum and then proceed to see everything they do as scummy, you pretty much see your theories as facts and you have to ability to write annoyingly long posts when provoked. That doesn't amount to an easy lynch at all.



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zero129 said:
Final-Fan said:

3.  When did I say that?! 

4.  Answer point 4, please. 

You said it right here "Perhaps those initial votes don't need to be treated as seriously as they would later in the game, but zero's reply is such an insane mess it's giving me flashbacks"

To point 4 it wasnt worth answering if you didnt understand what i meant in my reply to mr.p.

mr.p got himself lynched by staying silent and pretty much giving up when suspicions came on him.

Its clear to me scum planned on tunneling me or mr.p today for a mislynch. You even admited this when you said that you where going to vote for Mr.p. You changed your vote to me with an even more stupid reason then trucks just to join the bandwagon.

I dont believe everyone who has a vote on me is mafia, but i sure do believe you or trucks or even both of you sure as hell is....

Trucks backed away when i talked about how he was tunneling me, you come in and take his place. Its also possible that stefl is scum too.

In fact so far my scum reads would be you, Stefl and trucks.

3.  It wasn't because of you going after your voters that I made that statement; it was how you were incredibly careless, double quoting one guy at another's expense and double voting the guy you forgot to quote while not voting the guy you double quoted!  I can't even imagine being this careless in a game myself, regardless of alignment; so, after thinking about it, I can't really say that informs my view of you as potential scum until I get a better handle on your baseline level of crazy. 

Later on, as Linkz pointed out, you falsely claimed credit for the Mr.P mislynch, but that wasn't the sort of thing I was thinking of when I wrote the statement you quoted, as can be inferred from the fact that I was referring to the "initial votes" and not the later discussion in that sentence. 

4.  Remind me again, what "reply to mr.p" are you talking about?  I can't quite spot it, only a comment directed at him in a reply to ME:  "Mr.P make sure you do take notes. Cos what Final fan is telling me to do here "IS" what got you lynched last game." 

And regardless of what you may or may not have said to Mr.P, the question remains:  what did I, Final-Fan, tell you, zero129, to do, that "IS" what got Mr.P lynched last game? 

I'm not going to let this go unanswered. 



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Platina said:

I was reading through a list of 3rd party roles and since their win conditions are different it doesn't really matter to them whether or not town wins or not

http://epicmafia.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Party

I did a quick skim of the list and most actually have negative roles to town if they are kept alive so is why I brought that up.. but is brought to my attention that focusing on mafia is the main priority so that is why I'm not pushing the 3rd party thing anymore :/

Who brought this to your attention? Fair warning: I predict you will respond with the name of a specific person, and I'll have a couple of follow-ups if/when you do.



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axumblade said:

@theprof, my issue is moreso with [platina] trying to push stefl to roleclaim earlier.

Do you think Stefl shouldn't roleclaim, and if so why not?



spurgeonryan said:

@ prof

But we did not see full scale of Darwin's play until later on. Day one he just seemed the noob, as does amrinilio.

There are some similarities in newbness, but arminillo directly answered your question and proposed a strategy that could help town.(though as was pointed out, would likely benefit mafia far more) He also voted Trucks right out the gate while darwin hid behind being cautious.



theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

policy lynch

Policy lynches can also refer to players, like, i want to lynch zero because I hate him. :D

I just thought it was interesting that you asked a question you already knew the answer to.

Well, he was throwing around the term and it didn't really make sense to me with my understanding of the term.  So the obvious solution is to define our terms and see what he is actually trying to say, and given that we are in a game of Mafia I decided to ask him to give the definition he was using before telling him mine.  Technically, therefore, I didn't know the answer, because I wanted HIS definition. 

As it turns out, he appears to be using the term to refer exclusively to a subset of what I would consider the term to apply to.  Either that, or he actually agrees with me but forgot to give the full definition because he was thinking about this specific case.  In your case, that is a sad policy, but can potentially count as a policy for policy lynching; but only IMO if you have a "tier list" of Day 1 lynchees, consisting of at least one player, and zero is the highest one on that list currently playing.  Modifiable based on lynchability, of course. 



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theprof00 said:

I personally like Blade a lot so far.

Agreed. While we don't know the extent of his outside experience, he's showing fair logic already. Bonus props if he's scum and keeps up act.



axumblade said:
Linkzmax said:

Do you think Stefl shouldn't roleclaim, and if so why not?

It's too early in the game to start roleclaiming. I mean, if that's what he wants to do then that's fine. But if not, why put that info out there? If he has a PR (which based off the confusion he seemed to have on his role he might) why jump out of the box and expose himself on the first day before he can utilize it? Then again, he should have messaged Clyde if he wasn't sure how to approach it.

I take this to mean Stefl is already prepared to claim. Mayhaps Stefl wants more people to vote him before he reveals, but I see nothing wrong with wanting him to claim as I am interested myself. It was a mistake last game to let Stefl off with just a softclaim of a PR.