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I think I figured it out. Zero's bragging about how he was pushing Mr.P's lynch last game had me on edge thinking he was doing the same with Trucks this game. It didn't help that I made the early assumption that Mr.P must be town if Stefl is town. Nor did it help thinking with so much emphasis on flavor that a Dreamer is probable. It's my fault for not believing a Jack claim with all the flips and trusting those claims over trusting the Jack claim and scrutinizing the others.

This is pretty clear in Baalz' actions today of hanging on to any hope of not lunching Trucks. Asking zero if he thought Mr.P would hammer him made me question why there hasn't been a hammer on Trucks. Thinking back to Day One, Mr.P was one of the people that just wanted a hasty end to the Day. What's different now? The likely answer is they're scrummates too.

Then FF's vote for zero is pretty strange. He's played off my logic too much without offering much opinion in why to trust me. Plus his last post indicates he has little reason to trust Trucks as town regardless of zero's alignment. And if he's a vig thinking he can save town if it's a mislynch, there's little difference between choosing between Trucks and zero anyway. So why hasn't he hammered Trucks? I turn to my point of the SK needing to play the numbers game. We've been assuming it's likely a 4 man mafia team with a vig, but a SK might think a 3-man team is more likely. If he lynches town toDay it becomes a situation where town can't lynch him or mafia wins. Lynching mafia means he needs to shoot towards a townie or he gets lynched for not shooting certain scum, but if mafia are eliminated too quickly the question becomes why haven't the kills stopped?

If it's only a 3-man team with SK then now is our only chance to take him out before we need to keep him alive. If it's 4-man plus SK then we're just waiting for the ship to sink while they fight over who wins.

Vote: Final-Fan

Sorry zero, I think your avatar instilled some kind of hatred in me.



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I'm in close agreement with linkz post above.



Linkzmax said:

I think I figured it out. Zero's bragging about how he was pushing Mr.P's lynch last game had me on edge thinking he was doing the same with Trucks this game. It didn't help that I made the early assumption that Mr.P must be town if Stefl is town. Nor did it help thinking with so much emphasis on flavor that a Dreamer is probable. It's my fault for not believing a Jack claim with all the flips and trusting those claims over trusting the Jack claim and scrutinizing the others.

This is pretty clear in Baalz' actions today of hanging on to any hope of not lunching Trucks. Asking zero if he thought Mr.P would hammer him made me question why there hasn't been a hammer on Trucks. Thinking back to Day One, Mr.P was one of the people that just wanted a hasty end to the Day. What's different now? The likely answer is they're scrummates too.

Then FF's vote for zero is pretty strange. He's played off my logic too much without offering much opinion in why to trust me. Plus his last post indicates he has little reason to trust Trucks as town regardless of zero's alignment. And if he's a vig thinking he can save town if it's a mislynch, there's little difference between choosing between Trucks and zero anyway. So why hasn't he hammered Trucks? I turn to my point of the SK needing to play the numbers game. We've been assuming it's likely a 4 man mafia team with a vig, but a SK might think a 3-man team is more likely. If he lynches town toDay it becomes a situation where town can't lynch him or mafia wins. Lynching mafia means he needs to shoot towards a townie or he gets lynched for not shooting certain scum, but if mafia are eliminated too quickly the question becomes why haven't the kills stopped?

If it's only a 3-man team with SK then now is our only chance to take him out before we need to keep him alive. If it's 4-man plus SK then we're just waiting for the ship to sink while they fight over who wins.

Vote: Final-Fan

Sorry zero, I think your avatar instilled some kind of hatred in me.

Wait I thought we had to kill a mafia and Final had to as well to even keep going?

 

@Prof- I also have reservations about Baalz, but let me clarify. You think he ISNT dreamer, but he still made a poem, about himself being a traitor?



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axumblade said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm in flux. But prof is defending really hard right now, and it's giving me a lot more confidence in this zero lynch. Additionally, the sibling claim could be a fake claim because he expected this to be the final Day if they got a mislynch. If those two are mafia, I still have a question mark on #3--but it's one of the doctors. Arminillo's theory would make that TOS. And then there could even be a fourth! If Arminillo's theory holds, it would 100% be Mr.P, but I would be VERY surprised if this was the case.

If zero is innocent ... my list is a lot less concrete. And I'm about to be late for work, sorry.

How about this...lynch Trucks. if he flips as town doctor, kill me. 

I would rather have it the other way around.



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Arminillo said:
Linkzmax said:

I think I figured it out. Zero's bragging about how he was pushing Mr.P's lynch last game had me on edge thinking he was doing the same with Trucks this game. It didn't help that I made the early assumption that Mr.P must be town if Stefl is town. Nor did it help thinking with so much emphasis on flavor that a Dreamer is probable. It's my fault for not believing a Jack claim with all the flips and trusting those claims over trusting the Jack claim and scrutinizing the others.

This is pretty clear in Baalz' actions today of hanging on to any hope of not lunching Trucks. Asking zero if he thought Mr.P would hammer him made me question why there hasn't been a hammer on Trucks. Thinking back to Day One, Mr.P was one of the people that just wanted a hasty end to the Day. What's different now? The likely answer is they're scrummates too.

Then FF's vote for zero is pretty strange. He's played off my logic too much without offering much opinion in why to trust me. Plus his last post indicates he has little reason to trust Trucks as town regardless of zero's alignment. And if he's a vig thinking he can save town if it's a mislynch, there's little difference between choosing between Trucks and zero anyway. So why hasn't he hammered Trucks? I turn to my point of the SK needing to play the numbers game. We've been assuming it's likely a 4 man mafia team with a vig, but a SK might think a 3-man team is more likely. If he lynches town toDay it becomes a situation where town can't lynch him or mafia wins. Lynching mafia means he needs to shoot towards a townie or he gets lynched for not shooting certain scum, but if mafia are eliminated too quickly the question becomes why haven't the kills stopped?

If it's only a 3-man team with SK then now is our only chance to take him out before we need to keep him alive. If it's 4-man plus SK then we're just waiting for the ship to sink while they fight over who wins.

Vote: Final-Fan

Sorry zero, I think your avatar instilled some kind of hatred in me.

Wait I thought we had to kill a mafia and Final had to as well to even keep going?

 

@Prof- I also have reservations about Baalz, but let me clarify. You think he ISNT dreamer, but he still made a poem, about himself being a traitor?

I think the dreaming is part of his role to help him identify his team. He was told the poems would include himself. He admitted he is bad at interpreting the poems, as I've already pointed out. It's his own mistake that he outed his role description therein.



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Final-Fan said:
Since it was a couple of pages ago, I'll give you a break. This is what I'm referring to:

...who do you think is mafia out of the list of claimed characters from the second game?
Me - claimed vig, no counterclaim with a confirmed extra kill in the game
TOS - claimed doctor, counterclaim from game 4 character
zero - discussed above
Blade - confirmed town cop
Mr.P - claimed journalist, confirmed ability to intercept Stefl's PM from moderator
prof - claimed sibling, cop was unaware of siblinghood

Your list:
Mr.Playstation
TruckOSaurus
???

If you notice, you only asked about the second game. And I think there is one from each game, so i only have two suspects on the 2nd one because there are six claims. If you want to know all my suspicions based on the theory, sure i can humor you.

 

P2: Mr. P, Trucks.

P3: Is one of the P2 Claims.

P4: Linkzmax, Baalz.

People who could die and make me sleep better: Final Fan, Axum.



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Arminillo said:

Wait I thought we had to kill a mafia and Final had to as well to even keep going?

 

That was assuming he's vig. I explained why I think that's unlikely. Even with the loss of prof, you give town the votes it needs for a lynch, and Axum or I may be able to stop a kill as well.



theprof00 said:
Arminillo said:

Wait I thought we had to kill a mafia and Final had to as well to even keep going?

 

@Prof- I also have reservations about Baalz, but let me clarify. You think he ISNT dreamer, but he still made a poem, about himself being a traitor?

I think the dreaming is part of his role to help him identify his team. He was told the poems would include himself. He admitted he is bad at interpreting the poems, as I've already pointed out. It's his own mistake that he outed his role description therein.

That is ok logic, but just remember we have had another game antagonist die and NOT be mafia.



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Arminillo said:
theprof00 said:

I think the dreaming is part of his role to help him identify his team. He was told the poems would include himself. He admitted he is bad at interpreting the poems, as I've already pointed out. It's his own mistake that he outed his role description therein.

That is ok logic, but just remember we have had another game antagonist die and NOT be mafia.

You don't have to trust me on this. Marie isn't even an antagonist. But I'm sure you can agree that character flavor has fit roles quite well. Clyde did an excellent job of finding roles for the characters.

Marie in the persona game, is not an antagonist, but she is a spy. The entirety of her character is a spy.
As secondary resource, Trucks character Maki, does not match with someone who heal. Not even counting the amount of unconfirmable info against trucks right now, he and Baalz are of the same mind. 

In my opinion, they are on the same team. Baalz has literally used every excuse not to lynch trucks. When zero said trucks was godfather, baalz immediately voted zero and then basically said that trucks is the serial killer.



Prof if you are so insistent on ending this game and giving up, why don't you give lynching me a shot?

After all, you are 100% certain I am mafia. Your voting isn't matching what is coming out of your mouth



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