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zero129 said:
Linkzmax said:

How do you know axum isn't also fakeclaiming?

I know trucks is fake claiming. Thats all that matters.

No, it isn't. You don't win by lynching one mafia, you win by eliminating every threat to town.



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zero129 said:
Linkzmax said:

Firstly, I stated flat out that I suspected FF is the vig. So as mafia I wouldn't need his claim to ensure I could block a kill.

Secondly, Nice trying to appeal to emotion, but good job with another perspective slip. If trucks gets lynched and the game isn't already over then if FF claims he was blocked at Night, I'm going to be lynched. If FF is the only death, and assumedly flips vig, then if nobody else claims they were blocked, I'm going to be lynched. There's no win for me if I'm mafia.

Which brings me to a final point. It's funny that for all of the waiting around for Mr.P's information that you wanted to do, you've never once commented about his claim of being redirected, not even stating one way or the other if your Night One result said it was for a scan on prof. I can understand why you're trying to avoid that question. If you say for certain you scanned prof then it confirms for town that a redirector exists, and if you do that you'd have to admit that I don't even have to block FF, as mafia can use him as a second kill. You would also have to admit that I could be redirected into blocking FF, thus setting up the above scenario of getting lynched toMorrow. There goes one [flawed] point against me. Now if you say there's room for doubt as to whether you actually scanned prof, it condems Mr.P and suggests there actually is no redirector. You're in a no win position.

Why are you putting words in my mouth?. It was blade who was waiting on mr.p to get his info. I was just waiting for him to get what he wanted before i moved on with mine.

Its you who keeps bringing up about a redirector. Are you even sure the is one?.

I know my scan on prof said nothing about being redirected..

Really? You didn't want his info?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8221147
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8221193
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8221805
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8221842

I'm not sure if there's one or not. That's why I was asking both Blade and you to clarify if the target of your scan(s) was specified.

With you saying it's for sure not a redirector I'll have to rethink possible teams.

Do you think if I vote for you, Mr.P would hammer? He's been on when Trucks could be hammered and yet no vote.



Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
It's a guaranteed thing. We lynch zero, he flips town? Easy, you vig mafia trucks. I get it now. Sometimes I'm so stupid, it's no wonder I'm blonde. haha, it was so obvious.

And the HoS means you think I could be mafia because...?  Even an SK would want to stop a mafia win. 

That's not completely true. SK needs to dance a fine line between keeping enough mafia alive that it can't be lynched and enough townies that mafia don't win.



Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:

And the HoS means you think I could be mafia because...?  Even an SK would want to stop a mafia win. 

That's not completely true. SK needs to dance a fine line between keeping enough mafia alive that it can't be lynched and enough townies that mafia don't win.

Yes, and I am fairly confident we are on end of the spectrum right now. 



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P.S. Should we talk about my potential targets?



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Arminillo said:
It sounds like there is something u want me to say

It's just, with that list, and 3 people on it mafia acording to you, it seems like you should have a pretty good idea of who you suspect.  And you are consistently failing to respond when asked who-all is on it. 



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Who's on your scumlist, FF?



I'm in flux. But prof is defending really hard right now, and it's giving me a lot more confidence in this zero lynch. Additionally, the sibling claim could be a fake claim because he expected this to be the final Day if they got a mislynch. If those two are mafia, I still have a question mark on #3--but it's one of the doctors. Arminillo's theory would make that TOS. And then there could even be a fourth! If Arminillo's theory holds, it would 100% be Mr.P, but I would be VERY surprised if this was the case.

If zero is innocent ... my list is a lot less concrete. And I'm about to be late for work, sorry.



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Thanks for the input.



Here you go ff, this is my last appeal to you before I decide you are usurper who's goal is to kill the godfather at night.

Baalzamon is a mafia traitor. Marie in persona 4 is a character who is the incarnation of izanami, sent to the mortal realm to spy on humanity. A mafia traitor is synonymous with mafia spy: A player who doesn't know the mafia team, and the mafia team don't know him, and he wins with the mafia.

On page 13, Baalz gave this poem, "The skilled", Talks about butting heads and that he is hunting scum. A brief part of me thinks this is talking about zero or myself just because the butting heads. Being that I didn't really do any scum hunting...but his vote yesterday was for Miz just like the rest of us.

The butting heads does indeed refer to Baalz. Which characterizes him as "hunting scum". He later adds in another post -
Baalzamon said:
In particular, "The skilled" poem has a comment that if you defeat this player's purpose, he'd rather be dead.

This indicates a conditional win.
Let me link you to the mafia traitor page on mf:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

"The Traitor may or may not know who is in the Mafia to begin with. If not, Traitor is basically intended to act like a "bad Townie" - whereas "good Townies" try to find scum, "bad Townies" hinder the Town from finding the scum without necessarily knowing who they are."
You remember how on day one baalz said this:
"Something seems significantly off to me about spurge. In particular, I've always gotten a scummy vibe from him (yet he was always town in those games). I can't pin it to any one comment of his this game, but something gives me a town vibe from him this game (which based on the above scummy vibe/town assumption, could mean townie vibe = scum)"
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Baalzamon said:
Big town read on Trucks btw.
Don't ask why. Running an experiment here, interested if I can get town reads from more people for the same thing."

So he's targetting people he gets a town read from. And protecting people he gets a scum read on.

Remember that conditional win I was talking about?
"Some Traitors lose if the main Mafia group is wiped out, even if they are still alive."

The skilled poem: "If you defeat this players purpose, he'd rather be dead. "

How about this line from the wiki:
"In Theme games, it is fairly common for a Traitor to have some additional role to help them help their faction. For example, a Traitor who does not know who their Mafia allies are may well be made into a Cop to help them find them"

Sound like some kind of mafia detecting ability you might recall?

How about this:
"Traitors are used to provide "half-Mafia" in games where they are having a hard time deciding whether they want to include an additional Mafioso. "
Baalz: "Doesn't that only make 14 of 15 total players? I feel like 3 scum and an SK is pretty slim in a 15 player game personally."

At this point, I'm 100% sure Baalz is a traitor.
He's defended a godfather, picks a thematically incorrect doctor over a thematically correct one, and he's on the same lynch with you.

You are making a big mistake.