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Arminillo said:

I also would like to say that I believe Zero based on what I know about Persona, which, I might add are always about investigation. (there are alot of investiagative roles here in this Mafia game).

I actually disagree , despite knowing nothing about Persona.  Blade was a cop, weakened due to the miller and allegedly godfather.  Stefl was weakened by the five thousand roles that could block him.  Tracker and Watcher are both limited roles.  Where's zero's weakness?  Two shots?  Here we are almost in the endgame after two nights.  One of them being "only" as good as a regular cop?  The "cop fingers scum, commutes while mafia fruitlessly try to kill" possibility is so powerful I have a hard time believing it. 

On a related note, who do you think is mafia out of the list of claimed characters from the second game? 
Me - claimed vig, no counterclaim with a confirmed extra kill in the game
TOS - claimed doctor, counterclaim from game 4 character
zero - discussed above
Blade - confirmed town cop
Mr.P - claimed journalist, confirmed ability to intercept Stefl's PM from moderator
prof - claimed sibling, cop was unaware of siblinghood



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theprof00 said:
I mean I get your point about hard facts.
But we had a true identity cop, the psychic, which implies we have misinformation roles. How can you be so adamant to only use facts, when we know for a fact that not all info can be trusted?

Because Blade's role doesn't appear to be misinformation with the miller scan.

Zero's very well could be, which is an unlikely scenario I didn't even think of where both Zero and Trucks are town, but this would still make Axum scum.



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axumblade said:
Final-Fan said:

To be honest, this extremely weak argument is making me more of a fan of the axumblade lynch than I was before. 

Eh. You've been rude to me this whole day so this isnt surprising.

I said I've been trying to be more active this game. I've made a few hiccups when trying to figure shit out but at least I'm coming by it honest and admitting when I have made a mistake. I am at least trying to figure things out no matter how many times I've gotten things wrong. 

"this whole day"?  I've interacted with you a handful of times, one of which I would be willing to characterize as rude, and my criticism was extremely well justified IMO.  Please justify your claim. 

Also, why would me being rude to you imply that I think you're mafia?  This is not a rhetorical question. 



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Baalzamon said:
Could somebody clarify for me, when zero first claimed Jack of All Trades, was his scan for the first night already proven via death?

First night scan is innocent of Prof which is of course not confirmed.



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At this point I'm honestly getting tempted to vote for the one whose "good outcome" is better.

lynch mafia axum-->confirm town TOS and scum zero (assuming one and only one doctor)
lynch mafia TOS-->confirm town axum (assuming 1o1D), zero could still be bussing but earns credit
lynch mafia zero-->confirm town axum and scum TOS (assuming 1o1D)

Between axum and zero I'd lynch zero. Who will talk me out of this?

And is anyone seriously entertaining the idea that town has more than one doctor?



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There's one role unaccounted for here though. If Mr. Playstation is telling the truth, his attempt to target Blade during Night Two fell on prof instead (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8221001 - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8222087) which means there's a redirecting role out there which no one has claimed.

I'm willing to bet either axumblade or zero is actually a Mafia redirector or Bus Driver.



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axumblade said:
Final-Fan said:

"this whole day"?  I've interacted with you a handful of times, one of which I would be willing to characterize as rude, and my criticism was extremely well justified IMO.  Please justify your claim. 

Also, why would me being rude to you imply that I think you're mafia?  This is not a rhetorical question. 

Eh. Honestly, I realized I am acting like a drama queen  about the ordeal. Its mainly the specific part where you got on my case for misunderstanding Mr. Ps role. I don't take criticism well.

I would like to say sorry for going after you like that. But you have acted suspicious of me because I messed up when I was trying to figure things out. Admittedly, in previous games I have been more of a lurker so I am trying to step up and help out scumhunting and I am not doing a great job and have been taking criticisms to heart. 

Well I certainly don't want to dissuade you from becoming a more thoughtful and active player! 



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Final-Fan said:
At this point I'm honestly getting tempted to vote for the one whose "good outcome" is better.

lynch mafia axum-->confirm town TOS and scum zero (assuming one and only one doctor)
lynch mafia TOS-->confirm town axum (assuming 1o1D), zero could still be bussing but earns credit
lynch mafia zero-->confirm town axum and scum TOS (assuming 1o1D)

Between axum and zero I'd lynch zero. Who will talk me out of this?

And is anyone seriously entertaining the idea that town has more than one doctor?

Why does mafia zero condemn Trucks? I'm leaning towards them both being scum over zero pushing a mislynch, but I don't see how that must be the case.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to ask about there being two doctors. I don't believe either claim in the same vein as I don't believe zero's claim. It's easy as scum to claim to have targeted people that aren't dead. Also, according to epicmafia, Psychic is unaffected by Watcher, so Stefl could have gotten scans off until a mafioso sacrificed themselves into him. A Ninja is possible, but that practically turns Tracker/Watcher into extra cops. Then a Doctor could protect the Watcher while the Watcher watches the Doctor.(or the Cop comes out with another scan(s) Basically it'd be impossible to break "follow the cop." I'm saying this as Roleblocker who blocked platina and whose alignment can no longer be confirmed, so I expect mountains of salt to be taken with this opinion. If Mr.P is telling the truth, then there's a Redirector/Busdriver that could manipulate actions, but the manipulation is known and that alone can be very telling for alignments.

If there is in fact a Doctor, I side with axum being such. Even though Trucks made the smart claim of protecting the cop and axum apparently still doubted Blade after he claimed a guilty scan on a Miller. I blocked axum; therefore he could not have redirected Mr.P nor carried out a kill, unless he has a Strongman shot. Using a Strongman shot on a role that is blocked if it gets visited(if there's Doctor fear) is overkill though, so I think that's not very likely. I suppose he could be a Role Cop, but I suspect mafia would have had a far better choice of who to Redirect if that's the case.

I'm not fond of the idea of choosing between the two toDay though. If toDay is a mislynch then it could be up to a doc save, my block, and/or your kill(assuming vig, because if you're SK then town has likely lost already anyway) to keep the game going. They cannot use a Redirect/BD to account for all of us.



Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:
At this point I'm honestly getting tempted to vote for the one whose "good outcome" is better.

lynch mafia axum-->confirm town TOS and scum zero (assuming one and only one doctor)
lynch mafia TOS-->confirm town axum (assuming 1o1D), zero could still be bussing but earns credit
lynch mafia zero-->confirm town axum and scum TOS (assuming 1o1D)

Between axum and zero I'd lynch zero. Who will talk me out of this?

And is anyone seriously entertaining the idea that town has more than one doctor?

Why does mafia zero condemn Trucks? I'm leaning towards them both being scum over zero pushing a mislynch, but I don't see how that must be the case.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to ask about there being two doctors. I don't believe either claim in the same vein as I don't believe zero's claim. It's easy as scum to claim to have targeted people that aren't dead. Also, according to epicmafia, Psychic is unaffected by Watcher, so Stefl could have gotten scans off until a mafioso sacrificed themselves into him. A Ninja is possible, but that practically turns Tracker/Watcher into extra cops. Then a Doctor could protect the Watcher while the Watcher watches the Doctor.(or the Cop comes out with another scan(s) Basically it'd be impossible to break "follow the cop." I'm saying this as Roleblocker who blocked platina and whose alignment can no longer be confirmed, so I expect mountains of salt to be taken with this opinion. If Mr.P is telling the truth, then there's a Redirector/Busdriver that could manipulate actions, but the manipulation is known and that alone can be very telling for alignments.

If there is in fact a Doctor, I side with axum being such. Even though Trucks made the smart claim of protecting the cop and axum apparently still doubted Blade after he claimed a guilty scan on a Miller. I blocked axum; therefore he could not have redirected Mr.P nor carried out a kill, unless he has a Strongman shot. Using a Strongman shot on a role that is blocked if it gets visited(if there's Doctor fear) is overkill though, so I think that's not very likely. I suppose he could be a Role Cop, but I suspect mafia would have had a far better choice of who to Redirect if that's the case.

I'm not fond of the idea of choosing between the two toDay though. If toDay is a mislynch then it could be up to a doc save, my block, and/or your kill(assuming vig, because if you're SK then town has likely lost already anyway) to keep the game going. They cannot use a Redirect/BD to account for all of us.

If you aren't fond of choosing these 2, who exactly do you choose?



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I ask because you obviously aren't goimg to choose yourself. You'd be hard pressed to say I'm the best lynch option today. Mr. P/Armanillo's roles certainly seem to be confirmed, so you'd have to push that they are mafia aligned. Prof is a waste of a lynch, as he is indicating he will be dead tomorrow. Lynching the vig/sk really wouldn't help town. You are really only left with Zero, but can you really be more confident about his lynch than Axum? It is basically saying the same thing...that Zero is lying.



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