When Steve Balmer was CEO, Xbox was at its peak. Sure, it still came in 3rd, but it made them money. Any shareholder complaints were about the division still not seeing a profit OVERALL after a full decade.  Still, it was making them money at that time. We heard those complaints getting louder, and even Bill Gates confirm he'd be fine if Xbox was sold or spun off, when Xbox stumbled out the gate and continued to not gain much steam. This gen they'll come in 2nd, but it'll be at 1/2 the numbers the 360 pulled in, maybe less. And really, MS taking Xbox off of some of their products near the start of the gen, while pushing Windows 10 at E3 more than Xbox and basically taking away all Xbox exclusives to pad out their Windows game store, aren't exactly good signs for the Xbox brand.

Also, I wouldn't consider new HW revisions anything meaningful. The Slim is a way to cut costs. It was always going to happen, even if it was just to benefit MS. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Scorpio is pushed as much as, if not more, a Windows 10 machine than as a Xbox.  And if that does poorly, it most definitely will perform worse than the Pro, I seriously think MS is going to rethink releasing a new Xbox for next gen. Sony is guaranteed to release a PS5, with the success of PS4 and the PS name being added to some of its products.

Congrats to the 3DS being Up YOY! The gap between its competitor continues to increase! And Pokemon Slaying the competition! Didn't expect it to beat COD. It really shows how a smartphone game can give a boost to the series and the hardware!

Idk if he's dodging or just not going to waste his time. You asked for a valid source and he provided it. If that's not good enough for you then there's probably nothing he could provide that would be, speaking of humorous :)

Oh, I must have missed where the only consoles available last year were priced at $299 or less. Funny how you seem to forget those that were more expensive, but mention the more expensive bundles this year. Especially since people looking at a $299 console would be more inclined to get a better one for $349, than someone looking at a $249 one. $50 increase vs a $100 one and all.

http://gamingbolt.com/michael-pachter-ps4-pros-price-puts-microsoft-in-a-hole-with-the-scorpio

There is also a whole vídeo dedicated to Pro and Slim where he predicts both would sell great this Holliday season and that XBox would be in trouble.

If our estimations are correct the Pro was no game changer.

And back to that thread the most reasenoble prediction were off by 50%.

lmao some people celebrating for these terrible xbox numbers lol
both numbers for sony and ms are bad no 1 can spin this even the most hardcore ms fan know this

And this yesr we have PS4/XB1 at  as low as $220, with a game and with net cards too.... So what is point?

You really trying to argue away the fact that lower priced consoles didn't affect total hardware sales revenue? Even the NPD article you are getting your information from also said they did. 

Well tbf the US is also Sonys strongest market but we do know it had its best BF but Sony didnt say anything for Nov as a whole so WW it could be down overall with still having a really good BF. Xbox is also down but im sure Sony is down also WW for Nov. Software sells hardware and this year the only big seller was BF1 with COD being down by around 50%, TF2 and WD2 bombing compared to the first games.

Pro $400 XB1 SE BF and Gears $300. Wii U is still $300. Also the base 500gb skus were $300 for most of the month.

3DS 556.6K up 56%. Pokemon 2.7m best selling pokemon.

Decline?  I guess you are confusing this gen with last gen.  Do I have to remind you that xb360 had a 20m lead against ps3 in US, what about all the marketshare xb360 took in Europe as well.  ps4 not only took US and UK back but it is dominating Europe and the rest of the world hence why ps4 at the minimum must have had at least a 20m gap.   Taking US and UK back even if it is a small margin, it is still a win for Sony.  Yes, MS is way bigger than sony but it is not as if every division doesn't have their own expectations, their own expected revenue and growth so the xbox division is no different and right now, the xbox division isn't showing any growth in terms of marketshare and software sales because at the end of the day, the consoles are sold to sell software.  Having a presence WW mean that if a game fail to sell on expectations in US, the rest of the world can compensate to reach on overall profit.  xbox doesn't have that.  If the game fail in US, the game basically failed.  Don't get me wrong, as of right now, xbox is doing fine but it might not bode well for the xbox division if the following consoles continue to decline because at the end of the day, any division is in for the money whether it is its biggest division or the smallest.  There is a reason sony has been outspending MS in third parties deal with ps4.  I guess phil spencer budget aren't unlimited after all.  As of now, sony overall is surviving and the gaming divison has been posting a profit for a while now.  I am fine with that.

Eh, no, you're mistaken. The waste of time was trying to qualify his post for you. But who cares, he did it anyway. That was just my guess as to why he hadn't responded :)

I "got involved" because you freaking quoted me and talked about it, lol. My reply to him had nothing to do with his calling people out or your quest for validation, so if you don't want me to "get involved", then don't quote me and talk to me about it :)

Why was this last reply by you even necessary? You didn't even reply to him, and he posted after me. Maybe take it to PM if its that big a deal to you so as to not derail the thread? Thanks.