I hope FFXV did horrible period. I want this to come to PC. I'll get it on my PS4 down the road if I have to but I don't want to.
I hope FFXV did horrible period. I want this to come to PC. I'll get it on my PS4 down the road if I have to but I don't want to.
deskpro2k3 said:
It has nothing to do with playstation. japanese gamers just don't like square enix, and SFV launch was half baked (no arcade/campaign). To ask a question as to why Nintendo haven't gotten a mainline Final Fantasy game is hilarious. To put it in simple terms, the hardware specs that nintendo been putting out is too weak. |
I'm saying *now* there is no excuse for no Final Fantasy on Switch.
There is no doubt the situation in Japan is dire and Nintendo is really the only one who has shown the ability to be able to move hardware in a real big way in the last 10 years there.
But Nintendo can't do everything by themselves, this notion of Japanese devs sitting back and watching Nintendo try to save the entire Japanese industry on their own and being thrown a bone here and there ... that needs to stop. And now. There is no future for Japan's traditional game market if that is how this is going to go.
It's time for Final Fantasy VII/XVI, Kingdom Hearts III, Tekken 7, Resident Evil 7, Ni No Kuni 2, Dragon Quest Builders, Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite, and all these types of games to be on Switch just like Dark Souls III apparently is. No more excuses, no more of this "well lets make a Vita game even though the 3DS has 4x the userbase, this sounds smart" type nonsense.
All of Japan's big support needs to help Nintendo now, Switch is the last hope traditional gaming in Japan has and if Japanese developers don't realize that, quite frankly they deserve to work on iOS/Android and nothing but. Even Sony needs to be rooting for the success of Switch in Japan, what's at stake here is far bigger than just one generation.
Yeah, because a late port is just what Japan needs.
| spemanig said: Yeah, because a late port is just what Japan needs. |
Well they can port FFXV if they want.
But Final Fantasy VII Remake and even Final Fantasy XVI ... should be on Switch and should be developed concurrently with any PS4 version.
That's what I'm talking about and where tha bias needs to stop. I think the Square side of Square-Enix IMO still harbors a grudge over stuff that happened 20 years ago with the N64/Playstation ... Hiroshi Yamauchi isn't even alive anymore. Let it go, let it go.
The future of Final Fantasy may well be iOS/Android if they don't realize that. I hope maybe the Cloud in Smash/Cloud Amiibo being held back for the Switch release is a sign that Final Fantasy is returning to Nintendo platforms.
Switch needs to sell 20 million units in Japan, which is good for *everyone*, hell it's probably even good for Sony rather than the alternative, which is Japanese execs gutting their companies and for low/no budget smartphone games. At least if Switch is successful Sony stands to see a lot of PS4 versions of said games. But to sell that, even Nintendo needs help, my question is are these Japanese companies actually going to help or will they sit on their ass and be a sideline participant in their own market demise.
The series are just really damaged in Japan. Look at ff XIII games. They sold poorly. FF XIII was a major letdown, and stretching it into two more games also did no good. Let's just wait, if the game get some word of mouth it can hold some legs.
The main problem in Japan is that sales are extremely front loaded duo to used market, people finish the game and than just sell, and newcomers buy used copies. The question here is Se being able to get people to hold their copy, like they did with DQ IX to guarantee legs, if they do that, by year end it maybe 1.5 million.
All snark aside, I do think the Switch is in a unique position. I don't think FFXV's sales is a PlayStation issue, but rather a home console issue. Switch has the advantage of being something else. But if the Switch'S storage is a limited as the rumors suggest, none of that will matter. Every Nintendo system since the N64 came with a 3rd party Achilles Heel, and space might be it for the Switch.
| spemanig said: All snark aside, I do think the Switch is in a unique position. I don't think FFXV's sales is a PlayStation issue, but rather a home console issue. Switch has the advantage of being something else. But if the Switch'S storage is a limited as the rumors suggest, none of that will matter. Every Nintendo system since the N64 came with a 3rd party Achilles Heel, and space might be it for the Switch. |
If you can't make a game fit on 32GB storage IMO (you can even go a little over thanks to today having DLC, so you could offload 8GB more say if it was really a big deal) ... you've massively fucked up somewhere. There's a lot of bloat and nonsense in today's games, time to program more efficiently.
This is hardly the days of the N64 where a N64 cartridge could only store 1/20th of a CD-ROM.
Soundwave said:
Well they can port FFXV if they want. But Final Fantasy VII Remake and even Final Fantasy XVI ... should be on Switch and should be developed concurrently with any PS4 version. That's what I'm talking about and where tha bias needs to stop. I think the Square side of Square-Enix IMO still harbors a grudge over stuff that happened 20 years ago with the N64/Playstation ... Hiroshi Yamauchi isn't even alive anymore. Let it go, let it go. The future of Final Fantasy may well be iOS/Android if they don't realize that. I hope maybe the Cloud in Smash/Cloud Amiibo being held back for the Switch release is a sign that Final Fantasy is returning to Nintendo platforms. Switch needs to sell 20 million units in Japan, which is good for *everyone*, hell it's probably even good for Sony rather than the alternative, which is Japanese execs gutting their companies and for low/no budget smartphone games. At least if Switch is successful Sony stands to see a lot of PS4 versions of said games. But to sell that, even Nintendo needs help, my question is are these Japanese companies actually going to help or will they sit on their ass and be a sideline participant in their own market demise. |
The situation is far more complicated than you're giving credit for when it comes to SE not supporting Nintendo.
Do you realize there are only 2million ps4s sold in Japan.. (I believe) so 700k is already 35% attachment rate...
spemanig said:
The situation is far more complicated than you're giving credit for when it comes to SE not supporting Nintendo. |
In the past it was. It isn't now.
Switch is the only system that has the potential for a *healthy* sized userbase in Japan in the range of 20 million systems. That is good for *every* Japanese developer, because then companies will be willing to greenlight games knowing there's at least some userbase to sell to.
PS4 is never going to be a big thing in Japan. Never. I don't care if they release another model with 8K resolution. It ain't happening.
Switch is the only system that has a shot at a Super Famicom/Playstation 1-2/3DS size userbase in Japan. So to me this is real simple. Japanese devs you either support this fucking thing or you don't give me the sob story 3/4 years from now that traditional gaming in Japan is dead and your boss will only let you make your IP on smartphone and you don't know how this possibly could've happened.
But even the "it's complicated" stuff ... the 3DS has 20 million sold in Japan. And the only Final Fantasy games its really has it two fucking music games. What does it have to sell to get some respect from Square? 30 million? 40 million? They'd rather put World of Final Fantasy and are willing to jump through hoops and headaches to make Dragon Quest Builders run on a Vita though. Real smart. Why is the Vita getting a port of Final Fantasy X for example? That would run fine on a 3DS.