How can anyone argue with a $250 pricepoint? Do you really think that Nintendo's brand new handheld-console hybrid should be the same price as the New 3ds XL? That's just bonkers to me.
How can anyone argue with a $250 pricepoint? Do you really think that Nintendo's brand new handheld-console hybrid should be the same price as the New 3ds XL? That's just bonkers to me.
torok said:
If you're correct, I can see it flopping pretty hard. This price point is more oriented to a Wii U-like home console market, where we have 2 competitors with loads of games and a massive install base being sold by less than that. Switch would be onslaughted, it would be more expensive than its two more powerful competitors. This isn't the market segment for Nintendo because their 3rd party support is weak at best (they are already confirmed to lack Red Dead and Mass Effect). This price point would also completely allienate their portable user base, that's several times larger than the home console one. They tried to push a high price point with the 3DS and failed, resorting to a 180 bucks price to get it going. Despite all that, a 250+ price point also seems like a rip off. The Switch looks similar to a Shield tablet. Hell, it's basically the same thing. And a Shield tablet costed 200 bucks, with a profit margin. I don't believe Nintendo will come with a price point higher that 200 bucks. |
You do realise that New 3DS Xl has price of $200 and that still selling good? With that on mind $250 is great price for deviace that is real home console and real handheld in one, it has much more value than 3DS, and it will sell pretty good with that price.
| Brii said: How can anyone argue with a $250 pricepoint? Do you really think that Nintendo's brand new handheld-console hybrid should be the same price as the New 3ds XL? That's just bonkers to me. |
Basicly this.
How much does a PSVITA + a PSVITA TV cost in your countries?
Here in Australia it costs $370 (New, Not preowned)
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| Miyamotoo said: You do realise that New 3DS Xl has price of $200 and that still selling good? With that on mind $250 is great price for deviace that is real home console and real handheld in one, it has much more value than 3DS, and it will sell pretty good with that price. |
However, the New 3DS isn't the only option since people can still buy the older model or the 2DS as budget options. Also mind that 3DS isn't exactly on fire right now, it sold around 4M according to VGC and will end up the year way above X1 (MS will kill during Nov/Dec) and PS4, even if it is a portable that had options for 100 bucks during BF.
Nintendo needs to know where they want to place this product. If it is a portable, 250 is the same pricing that almost killed the 3DS. It's basically repeating the same mistake again. If it is a more like a Wii U successor, then the price point is OK if they believe that it can go against PS4 and X1. Honestly, I see it as being more adequate as a portable or as a secondary console. Both cases demand a lower price point.
Also, 250 is not a good price point. It's almost a repackaged Shield tablet. Why would it be more expensive when it will pack a lower resolution screen that can even lack touch? When we remove the dock, it really can't be more expensive that the Shield. "Oh but it's an hybrid". And? It hardly can be called and hybrid. It's like a tablet with an HDMI port that you connect to a TV. Add a controller and it's almost the same stuff. It's superbly packed and integrated, but really it shouldn't add a lot of costs.
And yes, the New 3DS price point is pretty much a rip-off. It costs as much as a Vita, that's way more powerful, it costs as much as a Shield tablet, that simply obliterates it in every single spec. If they want to start the Switch selling it as a ridiculously overpriced product, it's their call. Just don't expect people to fall for it. That's why I don't buy this rumour. They can't be that... dense. Horrible pricing was also one of Wii U's reason for its downfall.
One extra reason to be cheap is mobile. Let's face it, handhelds are on life support right now. People simply prefer to pay nothign extra to play on the go. They just want some quick distraction when on the bus, train, etc. Home console aren't affected because playing a high-end game life BF1 with amazing graphics and 64-player online is way above what a mobile phone can do. Handhelds are not that much of an improvement. Specially when you factor in that it's basically a big cost to just have something to do on a 30 minutes time gap. It has to be cheap. Dirty cheap, as much as possible. Phones are killing it because, even if they are more expensive, it's something that you already has, so the cost is zero. Also, they fit in yout pocket, so no need to carry a backpack.
It does stuff that a PS4 or X1 doesn't, mainly being portable. However, PS4 and X1 do a lot of stuff Switch doesn't: they have 3 years of games, full 3rd party support, better graphics, etc. It's a big list, while Switch only has the benefit of portability and that's something that people aren't caring that much. It can't compete directly with the twins, that's suicide. It has to be cheap.
| torok said: However, the New 3DS isn't the only option since people can still buy the older model or the 2DS as budget options. Also mind that 3DS isn't exactly on fire right now, it sold around 4M according to VGC and will end up the year way above X1 (MS will kill during Nov/Dec) and PS4, even if it is a portable that had options for 100 bucks during BF. Nintendo needs to know where they want to place this product. If it is a portable, 250 is the same pricing that almost killed the 3DS. It's basically repeating the same mistake again. If it is a more like a Wii U successor, then the price point is OK if they believe that it can go against PS4 and X1. Honestly, I see it as being more adequate as a portable or as a secondary console. Both cases demand a lower price point. Also, 250 is not a good price point. It's almost a repackaged Shield tablet. Why would it be more expensive when it will pack a lower resolution screen that can even lack touch? When we remove the dock, it really can't be more expensive that the Shield. "Oh but it's an hybrid". And? It hardly can be called and hybrid. It's like a tablet with an HDMI port that you connect to a TV. Add a controller and it's almost the same stuff. It's superbly packed and integrated, but really it shouldn't add a lot of costs. And yes, the New 3DS price point is pretty much a rip-off. It costs as much as a Vita, that's way more powerful, it costs as much as a Shield tablet, that simply obliterates it in every single spec. If they want to start the Switch selling it as a ridiculously overpriced product, it's their call. Just don't expect people to fall for it. That's why I don't buy this rumour. They can't be that... dense. Horrible pricing was also one of Wii U's reason for its downfall. One extra reason to be cheap is mobile. Let's face it, handhelds are on life support right now. People simply prefer to pay nothign extra to play on the go. They just want some quick distraction when on the bus, train, etc. Home console aren't affected because playing a high-end game life BF1 with amazing graphics and 64-player online is way above what a mobile phone can do. Handhelds are not that much of an improvement. Specially when you factor in that it's basically a big cost to just have something to do on a 30 minutes time gap. It has to be cheap. Dirty cheap, as much as possible. Phones are killing it because, even if they are more expensive, it's something that you already has, so the cost is zero. Also, they fit in yout pocket, so no need to carry a backpack. It does stuff that a PS4 or X1 doesn't, mainly being portable. However, PS4 and X1 do a lot of stuff Switch doesn't: they have 3 years of games, full 3rd party support, better graphics, etc. It's a big list, while Switch only has the benefit of portability and that's something that people aren't caring that much. It can't compete directly with the twins, that's suicide. It has to be cheap. |
Why do people always make this misconception, the price point was not what gave 3DS problems it still sold fine what gave it problems was consumer confusion and the early drought and even then it still sold along the lines of 6m in those few months. As pointed out earlier PSP launched at that exact same price point and did perfectly fine.
| Wyrdness said: Why do people always make this misconception, the price point was not what gave 3DS problems it still sold fine what gave it problems was consumer confusion and the early drought and even then it still sold along the lines of 6m in those few months. As pointed out earlier PSP launched at that exact same price point and did perfectly fine. |
It's ridiculous to assume that people didn't knew what it was because of the name. Usually, people try to use that as an excuse for the Wii U too. Ok, parents can make this confusion, but parents don't decide anything. Their kids will explain what they have to buy and they will get it. Adult gamers are smart enough to figure it out by themselves. Lack of software is more serious, but it PS4 managed to sell well with that. They cut the price, it started to sell more. It's quite simple.
Also mind that while PSP did decent numbers, it was pretty much onslaughted by the cheaper DS. The PSP also wasn't more expensive than a PS3 or 360. The PSP also was a multimedia machine in an age before smartphones and targeted teenagers and adults, that usually have deeper pockets. A lot of the features that made PSP popular are done better by smartphones. Vita is pretty much a beefed-up PSP. Ok, it has expensive memory cards, but that's a one time buy that costs around the price of a single game. Smartphones stole this segment. The one that remains is the same that the DS explored: kids and people after a cheap and good gaming experience on the go. They were cheap entries to play Nintendo games. I don't think people will pay 250 bucks for it and that's pretty much the point with the Wii U.
seems too expensive to do all that great to me.
unless third parties are holding off until after the nintendo reveal we've already seen dozens of ps4/xbone games not get announced for NS. $250 would be competitive at least for a home console even if it is half the power as xbone and half a generation late,.. but as a handheld it is too expensive. and at this point this looks to be more of a handheld then a console as far as a games library is concerned.
it will do okay but i still think NS will have a LTD somewhat less than the 3DS. not the "gamechanger" that so many here wish this device to be.
| torok said: It's ridiculous to assume that people didn't knew what it was because of the name. Usually, people try to use that as an excuse for the Wii U too. Ok, parents can make this confusion, but parents don't decide anything. Their kids will explain what they have to buy and they will get it. Adult gamers are smart enough to figure it out by themselves. Lack of software is more serious, but it PS4 managed to sell well with that. They cut the price, it started to sell more. It's quite simple. Also mind that while PSP did decent numbers, it was pretty much onslaughted by the cheaper DS. The PSP also wasn't more expensive than a PS3 or 360. The PSP also was a multimedia machine in an age before smartphones and targeted teenagers and adults, that usually have deeper pockets. A lot of the features that made PSP popular are done better by smartphones. Vita is pretty much a beefed-up PSP. Ok, it has expensive memory cards, but that's a one time buy that costs around the price of a single game. Smartphones stole this segment. The one that remains is the same that the DS explored: kids and people after a cheap and good gaming experience on the go. They were cheap entries to play Nintendo games. I don't think people will pay 250 bucks for it and that's pretty much the point with the Wii U. |
Except people didn't know 3DS and Wii U were new platforms, consumers thought 3DS was a new model DS with a 3D screen even kids thought this, this is one main reason Nintendo dropped the focus on the 3D and started marketing it as a new platform. 3DS didn't even sell that much different when the price cut happened look it up, it had a two week spike then sales went back to the usual level, you know what triggered sales it was the release of software, 3D Land, MK7, KH3D, MGS3D, Kid Icarus and Monster Hunter 3U all released with in a month or so of each other and more releases came after. People cite the price as a problem when it was never price it was consumer confusion and the drought.
PSP for the first year went full on blow for blow with the DS in fact in the west it was outselling it at certain points, DS went on to slaughter PSP not because of price but because it was the better platform and had much more consistent support while Sony handled PSP poorly.
torok said:
However, the New 3DS isn't the only option since people can still buy the older model or the 2DS as budget options. Also mind that 3DS isn't exactly on fire right now, it sold around 4M according to VGC and will end up the year way above X1 (MS will kill during Nov/Dec) and PS4, even if it is a portable that had options for 100 bucks during BF. Nintendo needs to know where they want to place this product. If it is a portable, 250 is the same pricing that almost killed the 3DS. It's basically repeating the same mistake again. If it is a more like a Wii U successor, then the price point is OK if they believe that it can go against PS4 and X1. Honestly, I see it as being more adequate as a portable or as a secondary console. Both cases demand a lower price point. Also, 250 is not a good price point. It's almost a repackaged Shield tablet. Why would it be more expensive when it will pack a lower resolution screen that can even lack touch? When we remove the dock, it really can't be more expensive that the Shield. "Oh but it's an hybrid". And? It hardly can be called and hybrid. It's like a tablet with an HDMI port that you connect to a TV. Add a controller and it's almost the same stuff. It's superbly packed and integrated, but really it shouldn't add a lot of costs. And yes, the New 3DS price point is pretty much a rip-off. It costs as much as a Vita, that's way more powerful, it costs as much as a Shield tablet, that simply obliterates it in every single spec. If they want to start the Switch selling it as a ridiculously overpriced product, it's their call. Just don't expect people to fall for it. That's why I don't buy this rumour. They can't be that... dense. Horrible pricing was also one of Wii U's reason for its downfall. One extra reason to be cheap is mobile. Let's face it, handhelds are on life support right now. People simply prefer to pay nothign extra to play on the go. They just want some quick distraction when on the bus, train, etc. Home console aren't affected because playing a high-end game life BF1 with amazing graphics and 64-player online is way above what a mobile phone can do. Handhelds are not that much of an improvement. Specially when you factor in that it's basically a big cost to just have something to do on a 30 minutes time gap. It has to be cheap. Dirty cheap, as much as possible. Phones are killing it because, even if they are more expensive, it's something that you already has, so the cost is zero. Also, they fit in yout pocket, so no need to carry a backpack. It does stuff that a PS4 or X1 doesn't, mainly being portable. However, PS4 and X1 do a lot of stuff Switch doesn't: they have 3 years of games, full 3rd party support, better graphics, etc. It's a big list, while Switch only has the benefit of portability and that's something that people aren't caring that much. It can't compete directly with the twins, that's suicide. It has to be cheap. |
3DS XL is most popular 3DS from time is relased, and later New 3DS XL, so people are more willing to pay $200 for highest 3DS price. Of Course that 3DS inst on fire when it's in 6. year on market, but afer 6. years on market its still selling OK at price of $200.
Nintendo is placing this product like successor of 3DS and Wii U, its home console and handheld in one, very simple. Its not just handheld, its not just home console, it both, that's why has higher value than just handheld or just a home console, and that's of course it very logical that will not have same price like 3DS XL.
$250 is great price for Switch and Switch will sell pretty good at that price. Becuse it real home console and real handheld in one, that comes with real seperate controler and dock that alow playing games on TV, even local muliplayer games out of box. Shield was never real handheld console or real home console, it was just some kind of tablet streaming device.
Real console games are very difrent compare to phone games, just look at Zelda BotW, real Pokemon, MK8, Splatoon, Smash Bros, Skyrim... Again, 3DS XL is still selling good at price point of $199 despite phones.
Thats exatly difrence, PS4/XB1 are just home consoles, while Switch is home console and handheld in same time, it difrent than PS4/XB1, and thats why its not competing directly with PS4/XB1, but you can bet that some PS4/XB1 owner will buy Swith like secondary console. And ofcourse, Switch will have biggest Nintendo IPs in its 1st year, Pokemon, 3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon...
| kitler53 said: seems too expensive to do all that great to me. unless third parties are holding off until after the nintendo reveal we've already seen dozens of ps4/xbone games not get announced for NS. $250 would be competitive at least for a home console even if it is half the power as xbone and half a generation late,.. but as a handheld it is too expensive. and at this point this looks to be more of a handheld then a console as far as a games library is concerned. it will do okay but i still think NS will have a LTD somewhat less than the 3DS. not the "gamechanger" that so many here wish this device to be. |
Its home console also, same like its a handheld, its bouth and thats big plus not minus. Switch 1st year lineup looks killer for now, we talking about biggest Nintendo IPs in 1st year of Switch.