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Another excellent Pro upgrade to add to the ever growing list of excellent upgrades. Hopefully those few games with problems will be patched:


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Looking forward to my second run through this game on the Pro.



arcaneguyver said:
Looking forward to my second run through this game on the Pro.

Definitely a looker but I'm not sure I'd want to play it again just because of that.



 

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What I don't like about Digital Foundry:

I guess they have to justify their existence but they say things like "We don't see any artifacts", "I don't see any dips in frame rate", "It looks beautiful. I think it's in 4k"

But then they have to break out their hardware to look at it see it's lost 2 frames here. May be slightly short when it comes to resolution. If we players can't see any shortcomings with our naked eye, isn't that good enough? I know at the end, they said it doesn't matter but that's not going to stop them from finding flaws when there really isn't anything to complain about.



d21lewis said:
What I don't like about Digital Foundry:

I guess they have to justify their existence but they say things like "We don't see any artifacts", "I don't see any dips in frame rate", "It looks beautiful. I think it's in 4k"

But then they have to break out their hardware to look at it see it's lost 2 frames here. May be slightly short when it comes to resolution. If we players can't see any shortcomings with our naked eye, isn't that good enough? I know at the end, they said it doesn't matter but that's not going to stop them from finding flaws when there really isn't anything to complain about.

Yeah, that stuck out to me too. 'It looks perfectly fine to my human senses' but 'let's wait to see if the machine thinks it's not'.

What the flying fuck has gaming come to? This hobby used to be fun.



 

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GribbleGrunger said:
d21lewis said:
What I don't like about Digital Foundry:

I guess they have to justify their existence but they say things like "We don't see any artifacts", "I don't see any dips in frame rate", "It looks beautiful. I think it's in 4k"

But then they have to break out their hardware to look at it see it's lost 2 frames here. May be slightly short when it comes to resolution. If we players can't see any shortcomings with our naked eye, isn't that good enough? I know at the end, they said it doesn't matter but that's not going to stop them from finding flaws when there really isn't anything to complain about.

Yeah, that stuck out to me too. 'It looks perfectly fine to my human senses' but 'let's wait to see if the machine thinks it's not'.

What the flying fuck has gaming come to? This hobby used to be fun.

Its what happened when console makers insisted that power makes the machine and not the games. Sony was guilty of this too. During the launch of the X1 and PS4 all we'd hear about is how crappy the Xbox One was because it didn't have GDDR5 and that PS4 is the most powerful console in the history of the world. I still remember the pulled Sony ad where they declared Watchdogs 1080p and 60 fps.

Plus that technical sounding terms make average folk feel smart so they tend to go with the higher numbers.



d21lewis said:
What I don't like about Digital Foundry:

I guess they have to justify their existence but they say things like "We don't see any artifacts", "I don't see any dips in frame rate", "It looks beautiful. I think it's in 4k"

But then they have to break out their hardware to look at it see it's lost 2 frames here. May be slightly short when it comes to resolution. If we players can't see any shortcomings with our naked eye, isn't that good enough? I know at the end, they said it doesn't matter but that's not going to stop them from finding flaws when there really isn't anything to complain about.

 

Didn't you get it now ? Digital Foundry director, Mr Leadbetter is a MS supporter since forever and is currently doing a very efficient negative PR campaign against the Pro.

Almost all their articles are focusing on a few games that have occasional problems on Pro while mostly ignoring the majority of good stuff from the Pro, or very vaguely talking about it, like a vague remark in one or 2 articles, here I am talking about performance.

When XB1s was released they immediately talked about a few games, notably project cars, and the ~5fps improvement , like if all XB1s games had this improvement. And now their only framerate videos and articles are from only a few games that exhibit occasionally framerate drops on Pro.

But if the Pro was a MS console they would have only shown the improvements from games like COD Infinite Warfare, BF1, titanfall 2, Dishonored 2 and more that we know run better on Pro thanks to NX gamer and VG tech. We would have gotten tons of positive framerate videos about those games (probably compared to their PS4 versions no doubt about it) like we got tons of video about the good stuff about the XB1s (even if Project Cars in fact the only game that had that much improvement).

When AC Unity was released. they did plenty of articles showing how well it ran compared to the PS4 game, and that 2 weeks before the release of the game. When they first saw Infinite warfare on Pro well before the release of game, they immediately did a framerate video about how bad it ran on Pro. Now that the game runs great on Pro and PS4, where is their article about it?

Where is their face-off showing bad performance on XB1 (as NX gamer and VG tech already showed us) compared to great stuff on PS4 / Pro ? Well they are delaying it because it shows a bad image of Microsoft Hardware and COD is still the most important game of the holiday. Btu they clearly didn't delay their BF1 face-off showing better framerate on XB1 (well 2fps better on average on conquest according to VG tech but they talked about sometimes 10fps higher on XB1, what a bullshit. DF usually don't tell us the average numbers except when it gives a good image of a XB1 game).

They'll certainly never tell the world that BF1 runs on average 6fps better on Pro than on XB1 on the Conquest modes...



Here's my analysis.

I had to zoom in 200% and crop to actually see some difference (1080p versions are pixel quadrupled)


I doubt I will be able to name the version if someone else is swapping the inputs on my projector. (don't have 4K)



globalisateur said:
 

Didn't you get it now ? Digital Foundry director, Mr Leadbetter is a MS supporter since forever and is currently doing a very efficient negative PR campaign against the Pro.

Almost all their articles are focusing on a few games that have occasional problems on Pro while mostly ignoring the majority of good stuff from the Pro, or very vaguely talking about it, like a vague remark in one or 2 articles, here I am talking about performance.

When XB1s was released they immediately talked about a few games, notably project cars, and the ~5fps improvement , like if all XB1s games had this improvement. And now their only framerate videos and articles are from only a few games that exhibit occasionally framerate drops on Pro.

But if the Pro was a MS console they would have only shown the improvements from games like COD Infinite Warfare, BF1, titanfall 2, Dishonored 2 and more that we know run better on Pro thanks to NX gamer and VG tech. We would have gotten tons of positive framerate videos about those games (probably compared to their PS4 versions no doubt about it) like we got tons of video about the good stuff about the XB1s (even if Project Cars in fact the only game that had that much improvement).

When AC Unity was released. they did plenty of articles showing how well it ran compared to the PS4 game, and that 2 weeks before the release of the game. When they first saw Infinite warfare on Pro well before the release of game, they immediately did a framerate video about how bad it ran on Pro. Now that the game runs great on Pro and PS4, where is their article about it?

Where is their face-off showing bad performance on XB1 (as NX gamer and VG tech already showed us) compared to great stuff on PS4 / Pro ? Well they are delaying it because it shows a bad image of Microsoft Hardware and COD is still the most important game of the holiday. Btu they clearly didn't delay their BF1 face-off showing better framerate on XB1 (well 2fps better on average on conquest according to VG tech but they talked about sometimes 10fps higher on XB1, what a bullshit. DF usually don't tell us the average numbers except when it gives a good image of a XB1 game).

They'll certainly never tell the world that BF1 runs on average 6fps better on Pro than on XB1 on the Conquest modes...

this post gave me a chuckle**.   you cannot be serious with this.



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Still haven't bought RC for this gen, so I'll take this one.



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