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Forums - Gaming - Scorpio wont do native 4K in most AAA games, its basic math

DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Checkerboarding, lol. I always enjoy seeing the shifting goal posts.

As for the bolded, um, duh? That's exactly what I was saying to the OP. See, when you drop your dramatic doomsday replies arguing BS I never said, we can have progress. So we agree, if native 4k gaming is not going to be common on the Scorpio, then it will be even less common on the Pro :)

Yet you were saying sony was leading people to believe PS4Pro was a console majorly native 4k. And is kerotan giving the goal shifting and drama right?

It's quite amusing this situation.  but I appreciate you and zekkyou straightening things out with him because I'm too busy to write out long replies atm! Cheers men! 



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DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Checkerboarding, lol. I always enjoy seeing the shifting goal posts.

As for the bolded, um, duh? That's exactly what I was saying to the OP. See, when you drop your dramatic doomsday replies arguing BS I never said, we can have progress. So we agree, if native 4k gaming is not going to be common on the Scorpio, then it will be even less common on the Pro :)

Yet you were saying sony was leading people to believe PS4Pro was a console majorly native 4k. And is kerotan giving the goal shifting and drama right?

Uh, what? I know you guys really don't have a leg to stand on here, but no need to continue putting words into peoples mouth. No, I didn't say anything about "majorly native 4k". Hell, I doubt even Scorpio will be a "majorly native 4k" console. MS's own games are supposedly going to be native 4k. Who knows beyond that.

Sony is marketing the PS4P as a 4k gaming console. Fact. But, it's not a 4k gaming console. At least, not yet. And imho of course. Right now it's all remasters and sports games. Everything else is FauxK. To put it simply, and for the last time, if the Scorpio is not going to do much AAA gaming in native 4k, ok. But that means the Pro will do even less. Not sure where the issue is with that statement, it's common sense.

Of course you can reply saying "but but sony isnt saying aaa native 4k!!" and "no one here expects native 4k aaa games!" and that's fine. I can reply that MS hasn't said anything about most Scorpio games being native 4k, and none of us here who prefer Xbox are expecting that. No point in me replying any further.



walsufnir said:
Ruler said:

PS4 Pro = 4.2TF

Xbox Scorpio = 6TF  (42% more powerfull)

 

PS4 Pro 1440p = 4,953,600 pixels

4K = 8,294,400 pixels (67% more pixels)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolutions

 

Now of course people argue its just the GPU and the Xbox One has more ram and better CPU but so does the PS4 Pro with 2.1 ghz CPU, all what Xbox Scorpio has is more ram from 8Gb to 12GB. But i doubt this is enough to give true for 4K, GPU is mostly important to get a higher resolution, the Xbox One will probably hit 7 million pixels maybe 7.5 million pixels but this is still not enough to get true 4K which is 8.3 million

Meanwhile you have all these people and sites going around saying that the Scoripio will do 4K 60fps, it wont even do native 4K

So, what is this thread, Ruler? Are you disturbed that people say something bad about your company because they point out that the Pro is not all-shiny good? Already gathering ammunition for a console that we still don't know the crucials details about because others do that to the pro? No offense, just curious.

Then you have your usual behavior of "all these people and sites going around saying that the Scoripio will do 4K 60fps": Who? Seriously, who?

Who expects a current game to perform at 4x the resolution with double the framerate? And why wouldn't it do 4k? Even the Pro does in some games and Scorpio will be even more powerful. How is that even a question? Why do you think it won't do native 4k? Your whole reasoning is "off" to put it slightly. The starting point is already wrong and your proof afterwards shows exactly that.

i gave a link previously of such a site in this thread, and dont look further than N4G, DF comment sections or on youtube if you want to see the hate for PS. Everyone takes it for granted that the Scorpio will do native 4K in every AAA game, it wont even do in most AAA games if you look at the facts. Thats not speculation by me but calculations and estimates with Microsofts own numbers.

 



Ruler said:
walsufnir said:

So, what is this thread, Ruler? Are you disturbed that people say something bad about your company because they point out that the Pro is not all-shiny good? Already gathering ammunition for a console that we still don't know the crucials details about because others do that to the pro? No offense, just curious.

Then you have your usual behavior of "all these people and sites going around saying that the Scoripio will do 4K 60fps": Who? Seriously, who?

Who expects a current game to perform at 4x the resolution with double the framerate? And why wouldn't it do 4k? Even the Pro does in some games and Scorpio will be even more powerful. How is that even a question? Why do you think it won't do native 4k? Your whole reasoning is "off" to put it slightly. The starting point is already wrong and your proof afterwards shows exactly that.

i gave a link previously of such a site in this thread, and dont look further than N4G, DF comment sections or on youtube if you want to see the hate for PS. Everyone takes it for granted that the Scorpio will do native 4K in every AAA game, it wont even do in most AAA games if you look at the facts. Thats not speculation by me but calculations and estimates with Microsofts own numbers.

 

The hate goes both ways. Fanboys will be fanboys, no matter where on the internet (unless you go to platform specific forums/sites).

Saying the Scorpio will be more capable than the PS4 Pro isn't being a hater, btw. It's just stating a fact. 

And I haven't seen anyone anywhere taking for granted that the Scorpio will do native 4K on every AAA game. You are the only one I've ever seen bring up this crap.



Ruler said:
walsufnir said:

So, what is this thread, Ruler? Are you disturbed that people say something bad about your company because they point out that the Pro is not all-shiny good? Already gathering ammunition for a console that we still don't know the crucials details about because others do that to the pro? No offense, just curious.

Then you have your usual behavior of "all these people and sites going around saying that the Scoripio will do 4K 60fps": Who? Seriously, who?

Who expects a current game to perform at 4x the resolution with double the framerate? And why wouldn't it do 4k? Even the Pro does in some games and Scorpio will be even more powerful. How is that even a question? Why do you think it won't do native 4k? Your whole reasoning is "off" to put it slightly. The starting point is already wrong and your proof afterwards shows exactly that.

i gave a link previously of such a site in this thread, and dont look further than N4G, DF comment sections or on youtube if you want to see the hate for PS. Everyone takes it for granted that the Scorpio will do native 4K in every AAA game, it wont even do in most AAA games if you look at the facts. Thats not speculation by me but calculations and estimates with Microsofts own numbers.

 

You do it again. Assumptions, generalizations and both are false or unproven. You are not arguing with facts at all.



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Roronaa_chan said:

One thing you can be certain of, there are more 4k native titles on PS4 Pro right now, today, than there'll be in Scorpio's lifetime. It's also basic math, just not the same kind of math.

damn.... You and OP must really be bad at math :)



Can we change the thread-title to "I don't want Scorpio to do native 4K in most AAA games" ?
Would be closer to reality than this bullshit.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Yet you were saying sony was leading people to believe PS4Pro was a console majorly native 4k. And is kerotan giving the goal shifting and drama right?

Uh, what? I know you guys really don't have a leg to stand on here, but no need to continue putting words into peoples mouth. No, I didn't say anything about "majorly native 4k". Hell, I doubt even Scorpio will be a "majorly native 4k" console. MS's own games are supposedly going to be native 4k. Who knows beyond that.

Sony is marketing the PS4P as a 4k gaming console. Fact. But, it's not a 4k gaming console. At least, not yet. And imho of course. Right now it's all remasters and sports games. Everything else is FauxK. To put it simply, and for the last time, if the Scorpio is not going to do much AAA gaming in native 4k, ok. But that means the Pro will do even less. Not sure where the issue is with that statement, it's common sense.

Of course you can reply saying "but but sony isnt saying aaa native 4k!!" and "no one here expects native 4k aaa games!" and that's fine. I can reply that MS hasn't said anything about most Scorpio games being native 4k, and none of us here who prefer Xbox are expecting that. No point in me replying any further.

Yes, keep like that.

You are claiming sony is marketing the PS4P as a 4k gaming console, when they in every opportunity talk about it displaying in 4k but rendering on sub 4k and using checkerboard to display that.

MS on the other had gone on to say that all games developed on the window of Scorpio will support native 4k (to then off-track saying 3rd parties won't be mandated). But you keep pretending like Sony is saying their console is real 4k while MS isn't doing much of it.

But then we see MS advertise (for a console that is 1 year away) saying it's the only true 4kHDR machine.



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DonFerrari said:

MS on the other had gone on to say that all games developed on the window of Scorpio will support native 4k (to then off-track saying 3rd parties won't be mandated). But you keep pretending like Sony is saying their console is real 4k while MS isn't doing much of it.

But then we see MS advertise (for a console that is 1 year away) saying it's the only true 4kHDR machine.

Ignoring the Sony stuff because I am done talking about that, idk how much clearer you expect MS to be.

MS: 1st party games native 4k, third party can do whatever.

Seems pretty open and shut to me :)



"Can we change the thread-title to "I don't want Scorpio to do native 4K in most AAA games" ?
Would be closer to reality than this bullshit."

LOL. Pretty much.

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